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On 3/17/2021 at 2:07 PM, carolina_corpsman said:

I might be in the minority but I have absolutely zero interest in any of the superhero movies, and haven't seen a single one. She's not alone lol. 

The funny part is, my BIL is a huge marvel/superhero fanboy and everytime I see them he rambles on and on about this move or that like I've seen em, I just nod and let him talk, he has yet to figure out I have no idea what he is talking about.

 

On 3/17/2021 at 2:11 PM, carolina_corpsman said:

Unfortunately I don't have HBO max and they have moved all of my favorite HBO shows off of Amazon. 

The Wire is my go to cop series, I have watched it probably 5 times and literally every time I pick up on something new.  I can't recommend it enough.

 

On 3/17/2021 at 2:28 PM, STS said:

I have seen none lol 

I have not seen very many. The ones I remember seeing are the original Iron Man, Original Spiderman (and one of the recent ones I watched on airplane a couple of years ago). I It think that's about it. The first 1 or 2 X-men movies I enjoyed. 

I can take them or leave them. They can be entertaining, but nothing that jumps out as 'must watch'. 

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On 3/21/2021 at 6:43 AM, Spur's Addiction said:

I can take them or leave them. They can be entertaining, but nothing that jumps out as 'must watch'. 

Agreed. I mostly got roped into a bunch of them because of my kids, although I enjoyed the Guardians of the Galaxy movies because of the Sci-Fi bent, the humor, and the soundtracks.

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1 hour ago, Swayin said:

Agreed. I mostly got roped into a bunch of them because of my kids, although I enjoyed the Guardians of the Galaxy movies because of the Sci-Fi bent, the humor, and the soundtracks.

I've enjoyed them with my daughter.  They have the right amount of action and humor to give a good balance.  Also enjoyed the GOTG ones much the same reasons.  

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Possessor: Uncut (2020) - Rotten Tomatoes

OK...first...ummm...I'm not even sure I am recommending anyone watch this...I'm not sure I ever should have...but...this is David Cronenberg's son Brandon Cronenberg's second movie and it is absolutely insane. Its actually a really good movie that is super well directed and acted...and it looks absolutely great...however...there is an ultra-violence and gore here that is almost singular in its approach. I have seen some depraved movies over the years but this is what going for it looks like. This is actually a really well made movie coming from a unique place with an interesting story...but be warned...this makes some of your typical 'Horror Movies' feel like Family Guy and even classics like 'Audition' or 'Centipede' feel almost relaxing...fun loving...quaint...this thing is brutal!! 

On HULU now...if this is your kind of thing...you need professional help...but don't miss this slice of absolute brutality...yikes!!

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The new Mortal Kombat is pretty good. It really plays up on that Scorpion vs. Sub-Zero storyline, and there's no tournament structure in the movie, but it's still ok. Kano almost makes the movie himself, and I like Jax's storyline better than the old film series.

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On 3/18/2021 at 1:49 PM, markymark550 said:

Matrix is a solid choice. They're in production for a 4th installment in that franchise.

 

I enjoy all movies of most genres except musicals. Especially like most all fiction movies - science fiction (Star Wars/Star Trek), fantasy fiction (LOTR, Harry Potter, super hero movies).

I got all 3 of the Matrix Trilogy on DVD, and am interested in seeing how the Matrix 4 plays out. After watching the first 3, it came to me an unavoidable conclusion: the moral of the movies was pointless.

Here was a story-line where humans on Earth were overcome by AI machines they created in a war for domination of the planet. Mankind blotted out the sun permanently in a desperation attempt to deprive the machines of their primary energy source - in so doing, they led the machines into turning humans into food stuff for their continued existence. They harvest humans as energy cells for their body warmth, forcing them into living out their lives in induced comas, and feeding into their subconscious a virtual-reality version of Earth that keeps them asleep thinking they are living out normal mundane lives. But a pre-determined % of humans always reject the Matrix, wake up from their slumber, and escape the machines' grasp, gathering elsewhere and forming a community of free humans called Zion.

The Keanu Reeves Neo character is presented as "The One", a chosen savior of humankind against the machines. He is sought after and found by Morpheus, a soldier of Zion and a captain of his own ship and crew. After being found, Neo is nurtured and acclimated to his true reality and destiny by Morpheus, with the guidance of a being called Oracle, who guided Morpheus to Neo, as well as someone who provides guidance for much of the free folk of Zion.

SO, most of all this is revealed in the first movie "Matrix". Then the 2nd and 3rd movies involves Neo's and Zion's new battles against the Machines within and without the Matrix. After I watched all 3 movies, I realized certain things:

It was all pointless. Perhaps that was the TRUE intended point of the trilogy by it's creators. But since it was pure fiction, it seemed pretty dark and depressing.

You see, throughout the 3 movies, the viewers learn specific things: that the free folks of Zion do NOT truly know what time on Earth they are in - they think they may be the first Zion, but in truth they are simply one of many. That previous Zions existed, and also (via the Merovingian in Matrix: Reloaded) there were previous Neos, or previous humans deemed to be "The One". We learn that Oracle was NOT human, but was a sentient program created by the machines that helped to unknown degrees to develop the Matrix to what it was in the movies. The Oracle - being a program - had specific functions which involved maintaining a specific balance between the humans accepting the Matrix, and the Matrix maintaining it's purpose, which after all was disclosed by Agent Smith in Matrix: Reloaded as being all-encompassing for Matrix programming.

Thus, while the Oracle was perceived by the humans of Zion to be a guiding presence and sage of advice, she was truly a prime agent for the Machines in keeping the humans forever bound to their fate. The Oracle never truly disclosed prescience: she merely responded to human's disclosures of what they thought or believed, and told them what they wanted to hear in a way that guided them to the ultimate objective(s) that SHE wanted them guided to. This was NEVER in the human's best interests.

So we come to the end of the 3rd movie Matrix: Revolutions. This movie was appropriately named: it was after all, a story like Groundhog Day - the same means playing out to the same ends over and over and over in revolutions. We find that Zion is discovered by the Machines - in truth, the machines always knew where Zion was. The Matrix was never a perfect virtual reality: the imperfection of the human psyche versus the by-the-rule coded laws of the machines - where, even though they now ruled the Earth, they were after all created by humans - made that an impossibility. Agent Smith explained this much to Morpheus after he was captured by the agents - the creation of a "perfect" Matrix was a "disaster" that almost destroyed the machines' existence.

SO, the best the machines could do under these conditions, was create a deliberately flawed Matrix that was accepted by as high a % of comatose humans as possible. This meant that the best-case scenario meant there would always be a % of humans that would reject the Matrix - a % of those who awaken would escape the machines immediately destroying them - a % of those humans who escape would not die to the exposures of harsh Earthly elements - a % of those humans would find other free humans - a % of those grouped together free humans would create a community in hiding, and call it Zion or something like that.

This % of free humans could be calculated by the machines - they would KNOW in advance how many free humans would create this community - to a high degree of accuracy - and therefore determine how long that community could exist as harmless to the machines, until such time they grow to become a threat. AND THEN, the machines would simply go to that community, and destroy it.

And that scenario would play out again and again and again over the decades and centuries - a form of culling of "defective" human subjects that the machine world would never benefit from. And the Oracle was a program who's function played a key role in that scenario "revolution" being maintained.

So in the end, at the end of the 3rd Matrix movie, what do we have?? The latest iteration of Neo was either killed, or returned to the hard-line connection and comatose state that he was born into. The latest version of Zion was destroyed - yes, Neo made a "deal" with the machines to halt its destruction, if he helped to destroy the rogue Agent Smith program. But the machines held all the cards: the deal was NEVER to leave Zion alive and intact. The Sentinels were dormant and still, but they were STILL THERE. What would have kept the machines from simply restarting the sentinels back up again, and letting them finish the job? Nothing.

The Oracle was still active, returned to its former state after Agent Smith's corruptions were destroyed. But who is to say that Agent Smith's corruption was not even planned as well by the Machines? If not, then it was his corruption that was the ONLY thing that the machines did NOT plan for. But Agent Smith talked so much about his "Purpose" in this reality. Was he hinting at the truth?

 

Agent Smith: That went as expected.
Agent Smith: Yes.
Agent Smith: It's happening exactly as before.
Agent Smith: Well, not exactly.
 
Neo: But why help us?
Oracle: We're all here to do what we're all here to do.
 
Neo: What about the first one?
Oracle: What about him?
Neo: Did he reach the source?
Oracle: Yes.
Neo: Then why didn't he end the war?
Oracle: He did what he was here to do. His path is not your path, Neo. Your path, I'm afraid, is much harder.
Neo: Why?
Oracle: Because of the choices you've made.
 
Agent Smith: And now here I stand because of you Mr. Anderson, because of you. I'm no longer an agent of this system, because of you. I've changed. I'm unplugged. A new man, sort to speak, like you, apparently free.
Neo: Congratulations.
Agent Smith: Thank you. But as you well know, appearances can be deceiving, which brings me back to the reason why we are here: it is not because we are free, we are here because we are NOT free.
Agent Smith: Without purpose, we would not exist. It is purpose that created us. Purpose that connects us. Purpose that pulls us. That guides us. That drives us. It is purpose that defines us. Purpose that binds us. We are here because of you, Mr Anderson. We're here to take from you what you tried to take from us. Purpose.
 
So in the end, the Matrix still stands. The humans are still comatose energy cells for the machines, who still control the Earth. Zion has mostly been destroyed already, and its ultimate fate is left undetermined when the 3rd movie ends. Perhaps it is ultimately destroyed. The Oracle and the Architect are still in charge of the Matrix, and a new batch of Agents - Thompson, Jackson, and Johnson - police it. The same % of humans continue to reject the Matrix every day, ending up in the same % that will form together and start up a new Zion. Perhaps a new Neo will be among them soon. And the beat goes on.
 
Except now there is a Matrix 4. I am interested to see how much this new movie diverts from the original narrative of the first three.......
 
So everything is back to as it was before
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On 3/18/2021 at 6:31 PM, cocky0 said:

I just finished the Zack Snyder cut of Justice League. It's ridiculously long, but it's better than the other version.

 

I enjoyed the "Zack Cut" as well, although I had a few observations:

I understand the choice of a totally new Barry Allen character for Flash from the old one. No different than the new Aquaman version. The Justice League was just too white for modern times. But I guess they had to copy the Avengers' Spiderman direction, in not just having a younger hero for the younger audiences to relate to, but to have that character basically be totally naive and innocent and goofy even as they fight monsters and demi-gods, and witness reality-level destruction.

But goodness gracious, even though the Flash is super fast, DOESN'T mean his human physiology changed to something inhuman. He still has two arms and two legs, and most all of his muscle groups are humanly configured. WHY did they have to make the Flash run like he's the Ragdoll, with his limbs flailing and flopping outward all over the place?? The faster a creature runs, the more streamlined its physiology becomes in the act, by the very nature of that act. In other words, the Flash's running technique was ludicrous at best.

And then the post-credit cut-scenes. I understand these were done AFTER the initial production of Snyder's movie version, which after all was in 2016-2017. So Snyder had to get the actors together again and film this new stuff. And after 3-4 years since the first production, I expected actors to move on and not look quite the same.

But in the final scene between Ben Affleck's Batman and Harry Lennix's Martian Manhunter, Affleck was too skinny to be Bruce Wayne. He obviously stopped working out as he had for the movie. And his character was too "tranquil" upon meeting the Manhunter: I know that Bruce Wayne sort of "got the faith" after Superman was revived - most likely he was relieved after putting the death of Superman on his own shoulders - and that this calm serenity could have turned the Batman back into the lighter, happier Batman of the 1970s, except.....

He had just gotten through having the nightmare/vision of a post-Apokolyptic Earth taken over by Darkseid, and should have been shaken up by that. THEN, he witnesses an alien being he's never seen before come swooping down to his residence, and he just strolls outside onto the deck barefooted as if he's there greeting the milkman, with no sign of concern or wariness. That final post-credit scene was nice in that it introduced the Manhunter - an original founding member of the comicbook Justice League - to another Justice Leaguer for the first time. It gave some excitement for what is to come in the future (even though we know nothing is scheduled to come in the future, unless it comes in DCU's TV world). But it was a bit clumsy in flowing with the rest of the film, almost as clumsy as the Joss Whedon slapped-together theatrical version.

But after all, it was just a post-credit cut-scene, so it gets a bye I guess.......

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On 4/26/2021 at 6:26 AM, FurmanCock said:

I'm enjoying The Expanse on Amazon Prime, based upon the novels by James Corey.

I started that, I think maybe when it was still on Sci Fi? May need to revisit.

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On 4/29/2021 at 3:26 PM, Swayin said:

I started that, I think maybe when it was still on Sci Fi? May need to revisit.

This could actually do double duty for the "What's on your bedside table?" thread, as I'm reading the Corey series also...currently on volume 3.  Pretty good SciFi.

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My favorite from when I was a kid was Live and Let Die … epic boat and car chase through the bayou. Favorite as an adult was Skyfall - the location of his house in Scotland is one of my favorite places, Glen Coe.

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