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So, after this pandemic subsides...

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Yea someone should definitely look into this...

 

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Several months before the coronavirus pandemic began, the Trump administration eliminated a key American public health position in Beijing intended to help detect disease outbreaks in China, Reuters has learned.

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Zhu and the other sources said Quick could have provided real-time information to U.S. and other officials around the world during the first weeks of the outbreak, when they said the Chinese government tamped down on the release of information and provided erroneous assessments.

Quick left amid a bitter U.S. trade dispute with China when she learned her federally funded post, officially known as resident adviser to the U.S. Field Epidemiology Training Program in China, would be discontinued as of September, the sources said. The U.S. CDC said it first learned of a “cluster of 27 cases of pneumonia” of unexplained origin in Wuhan, China, on Dec. 31.

 

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1 hour ago, Blitzkrieg said:

What do we (US? World community? ) do (if anything) about the shameful way China has conducted themselves from the very beginning of this episode? 

I think the response from the whole world needs to be looked at. Obviously China could have been much more open early on. Just as Trump himself could have been much more forthright about the dangers. He downplayed it for months. 

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6 minutes ago, Blitzkrieg said:

That has nothing to do with how China acted in this matter but I realize that you can't turn off the Trump hatred for even a minute.

My sense is that you are on the right path - but hindsight is 20/20. We should not have remved our researchers from China, China should have been more truthful up front, we needed leadership. Lots of lessons to be learned.

One thing that is for certain - the world is a small place now, and you cannot close all your borders and be isolationist. That never worked before and it is less likely to work now. 

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10 minutes ago, Blitzkrieg said:

That has nothing to do with how China acted in this matter but I realize that you can't turn off the Trump hatred for even a minute.

It has everything to do with the fact that we were in position to handle it regardless of what China did but I wouldn't expect you to admit that

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Wow.....early on I mention sanctioning China and some posters in this thread opposed...

 

...the funny thing is that I think that most people here largely agree at one pin t or another along the spectrum of things 

the American people were failed by everyone in politics and why anyone defends one side or the other is beyond me...we need Fucking leaders and not these imposters we have now

when we look back at history there is always a leader...we ain’t got shit 

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59 minutes ago, Ace Dilcock said:

My sense is that you are on the right path - but hindsight is 20/20. We should not have remved our researchers from China, China should have been more truthful up front, we needed leadership. Lots of lessons to be learned.

One thing that is for certain - the world is a small place now, and you cannot close all your borders and be isolationist. That never worked before and it is less likely to work now. 

Yes,  hindsight is always 20/20.  Amazing isn't it. 

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58 minutes ago, MFB said:

It has everything to do with the fact that we were in position to handle it regardless of what China did but I wouldn't expect you to admit that

Again, spin it all you want.  This is about how the Communist Chinese Government handled this.  You can go to any of the other 212 attack Trump threads for that.

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17 minutes ago, Blitzkrieg said:

Again, spin it all you want.  This is about how the Communist Chinese Government handled this.  You can go to any of the other 212 attack Trump threads for that.

They've always been a shady communist government, always will be. That's why oversight is so important. Sorry that is so hard for you to understand 

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1 hour ago, MFB said:

They've always been a shady communist government, always will be. That's why oversight is so important. Sorry that is so hard for you to understand 

That's not the subject of the thread,  Sorry that's so hard for you to understand.

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1 minute ago, Spur's Addiction said:


Ok good one. Seeing I have never been a fan of Bernie and think he’s too far out there in left field. You really got me there by lumping me together because... liberal, must love Bernie.

Another good one Bernie.  So you're against stereotyping are you?  lol

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China has to shut down that wildlife trade in their wet markets. That's where all these CV variants have come from. If not, there should be international sanctions, and a 10-year ban on anyone flying into the west from there without a full battery of virus tests. Make it punitive if necessary, they started this s*** and tried to cover it up.

We need to repatriate some drug and equipment production, or just stockpile the latter.

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2 hours ago, STS said:

Wow.....early on I mention sanctioning China and some posters in this thread opposed...

 

...the funny thing is that I think that most people here largely agree at one pin t or another along the spectrum of things 

the American people were failed by everyone in politics and why anyone defends one side or the other is beyond me...we need Fucking leaders and not these imposters we have now

when we look back at history there is always a leader...we ain’t got shit 

We really don't. Dr. Fauci is about the closest thing we got right now

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14 minutes ago, GoldenSpur7 said:

China has to shut down that wildlife trade in their wet markets. That's where all these CV variants have come from. If not, there should be international sanctions, and a 10-year ban on anyone flying into the west from there without a full battery of virus tests. Make it punitive if necessary, they started this s*** and tried to cover it up.

We need to repatriate some drug and equipment production, or just stockpile the latter.

I agree. Mandatory quarantine for anyone who travels before coming home as well but these things still spread before "patient zero" makes it to the airport to come back to the US and the disease can travel in other ways. This is a fine line as far as being world police goes because this is all shit that happens in nature...but it seems with the amount of diseases that impact the population of the globe that come from that area something should be done. Not much different than biological warfare (unintended or not)

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12 hours ago, Blitzkrieg said:

I just find it humorous that you're against being stereotyped. 

Blitz, you have a tendency to dismiss a logical, factual stance by saying " You are just a Liberal" - or a "Socialist" - or a "Bernie guy". Which is the easy way out - because a lot of times, you can't win the argument otherwise.

The flip side would be writing you off as a Nazi - or Rightwing nut job. 

And when you dismiss an argument by saying someone is a Liberal - and they are not - you are doubly wrong. If you ain't got a good response, admit it or don't respond - don't say that "you are just a Liberal" like that wins the argument. It doesn't.

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1 hour ago, Ace Dilcock said:

Blitz, you have a tendency to dismiss a logical, factual stance by saying " You are just a Liberal" - or a "Socialist" - or a "Bernie guy". Which is the easy way out - because a lot of times, you can't win the argument otherwise.

The flip side would be writing you off as a Nazi - or Rightwing nut job. 

And when you dismiss an argument by saying someone is a Liberal - and they are not - you are doubly wrong. If you ain't got a good response, admit it or don't respond - don't say that "you are just a Liberal" like that wins the argument. It doesn't.

Sure, I'll look for your continued intervention the next time I get called a Nazi. 

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1 hour ago, Ace Dilcock said:

Fair enough. I think the screen name is one reason that you get the Nazi tag, but you can't always judge a book by its cover.

Bullshit, my handle could be Buttercup and I'd still be called a Nazi because I'm a conservative.

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