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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/02/we-were-caught-unprepared-by-pandemic-911-failures-began-long-before-trump/

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So how did we fail so badly? Many are blaming the Trump administration’s slow initial response, but as with 9/11, the failures stretch back much further.

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17 minutes ago, Spur's Addiction said:

There were obviously system wide failures going back decades. That much is clear. hat does not absolve Trump of any responsibility of how he dowplayed the issue for the first couple of months. 

 

Why start a new thread?

So it doesn't get lost in the shuffle.  Glad you realize it's not all Trump's fault.  Although that will not deter you from continuing to blame him.

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Trump and his administration are to blame for the delays in ramping up testing, and the stall in authorizing the defense act. Those decisions will have fatal consequences. When he made that bull**** statement about how the virus would disappear like a miracle in a month, in a sane world he would have been removed immediately via invocation of the 25th amendment.

Are there other failures? Sure. Capitalism seeks efficient use of resources. It's not efficient to have warehouses full of unused equipment. That's the government's job, and it wasn't prepared.

But Trump f***ed up. Bad. Epic Bad.

 

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6 minutes ago, GoldenSpur7 said:

Trump and his administration are to blame for the delays in ramping up testing, and the stall in authorizing the defense act. Those decisions will have fatal consequences. When he made that bull**** statement about how the virus would disappear like a miracle in a month, in a sane world he would have been removed immediately via invocation of the 25th amendment.

Are there other failures? Sure. Capitalism seeks efficient use of resources. It's not efficient to have warehouses full of unused equipment. That's the government's job, and it wasn't prepared.

But Trump f***ed up. Bad. Epic Bad.

 

HE was saying this while we were watching Italy go through the EXACT same thing we are right now. Finding places to send people to die and places to put the bodies. We knew exactly what was coming when he was still minimizing, downplaying and dismissing the severity of the virus.

Think about all of the "excess" baggage he bragged about cutting when he took office. We are seeing a direct impact in almost every way we deal with this. From the oversight of the loan programs to the pandemic response, we are dealing with programs that Donald Trump himself bragged about gutting in the last 3 years

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1 hour ago, Tastylicks said:

Start a new useless thread to make excuses for our God trump. Amen

How does comrade 0bama's ass taste?

From the article:

But the national stockpile was depleted in 2009 during the H1N1 outbreak and never fully replenished. “We didn’t receive funds to replace those masks [and] protective gear … that we used for H1N1,” former stockpile director Greg Burel told CBS News, leaving hospitals scrambling today.

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5 hours ago, Blitzkrieg said:

How does comrade 0bama's ass taste?

From the article:

But the national stockpile was depleted in 2009 during the H1N1 outbreak and never fully replenished. “We didn’t receive funds to replace those masks [and] protective gear … that we used for H1N1,” former stockpile director Greg Burel told CBS News, leaving hospitals scrambling today.

Never fully replenished? So it was is mostly replenished? There was not much used in the H1N1 deal anyway, so not much to replenish.

Obama would get the blame for whatever was used on his watch and not replenished. But Trump has been in office for more than three years and he did not replenish anything either. In fact, he sent 17.8 million tons of medical supplies to China in early February - and did not lift a finger to replace the items, even though we had our first case of Covid-19 more than two weeks earlier. Plus, he dismantled the pandemic task force and let the ventilator maintenance contract lapse. And set on his butt for many weeks.

At the same time, we did the following - with no effort from the Trump administration to stem the tide of supplies leaving the country (since we had it all under control. LOL):

"U.S. exports of surgical masks, ventilators and other personal protective gear to China skyrocketed in January and February, when the coronavirus was wreaking havoc in the country where it began and as U.S. intelligence agencies warned it would soon spread.

American companies sold more than $17.5 million worth of face masks, more than $13.6 million in surgical garments and more than $27.2 million in ventilators to China during the first two months of the year, far exceeding that of any other similar period in the past decade, according to the most recent foreign trade data available from the U.S. Census Bureau."

Also, note that the link is for an OPINION piece,  The author worked for five years at Black, MANAFORT, STONE, and Kelly before joining the Bush administration. Gee, I am sure that he has no bias, huh? And there is no spin or agenda, huh? Just facts!

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24 minutes ago, Ace Dilcock said:

Never fully replenished? So it was is mostly replenished? There was not much used in the H1N1 deal anyway, so not much to replenish.

Obama would get the blame for whatever was used on his watch and not replenished. But Trump has been in office for more than three years and he did not replenish anything either. In fact, he sent 17.8 million tons of medical supplies to China in early February - and did not lift a finger to replace the items, even though we had our first case of Covid-19 more than two weeks earlier. Plus, he dismantled the pandemic task force and let the ventilator maintenance contract lapse. And set on his butt for many weeks.

At the same time, we did the following - with no effort from the Trump administration to stem the tide of supplies leaving the country (since we had it all under control. LOL):

"U.S. exports of surgical masks, ventilators and other personal protective gear to China skyrocketed in January and February, when the coronavirus was wreaking havoc in the country where it began and as U.S. intelligence agencies warned it would soon spread.

American companies sold more than $17.5 million worth of face masks, more than $13.6 million in surgical garments and more than $27.2 million in ventilators to China during the first two months of the year, far exceeding that of any other similar period in the past decade, according to the most recent foreign trade data available from the U.S. Census Bureau."

Also, note that the link is for an OPINION piece,  The author worked for five years at Black, MANAFORT, STONE, and Kelly before joining the Bush administration. Gee, I am sure that he has no bias, huh? And there is no spin or agenda, huh? Just facts!

Yeah we know the drill.  Comrade 0bama is blameless, it's Trump's fault, and all news sources are against Liberals.  lol

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6 minutes ago, Blitzkrieg said:

Yeah we know the drill.  Comrade 0bama is blameless, it's Trump's fault, and all news sources are against Liberals.  lol

 You are finally catching on, Blitzy.

When the only article that you can find backing your position is not a factual article but an opinion piece - written by a graduate of the Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly school of spin and deceit, no less - then you are out in Left Field. Or, in your case, (Far) Right Field.

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58 minutes ago, Ace Dilcock said:

 You are finally catching on, Blitzy.

When the only article that you can find backing your position is not a factual article but an opinion piece - written by a graduate of the Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly school of spin and deceit, no less - then you are out in Left Field. Or, in your case, (Far) Right Field.

Yeah, here's another far right wing mouthpiece.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-03-20/disaster-foretold-shortages-ventilators-medical-supplies-warned-about

 

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28 minutes ago, Blitzkrieg said:

Gosh, Blitzy, when you nail me with corrobarating documentation, you really nail me! From the article that YOU linked:

As the current crisis has widened, President Trump has attempted to deflect responsibility for his administration’s poor planning, suggesting the coronavirus outbreak was inconceivable.

“Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion,” the president said Thursday.

The opposite is true. The GAO, public health experts and others issued a steady drumbeat of warnings that America would sooner or later face a widespread infectious disease outbreak or a major bioterrorism attack and was woefully unprepared.

In both 2018 and 2019, U.S. intelligence agencies issued insistent warnings in their annual Worldwide Threat Assessment.

“We assess that the United States and the world will remain vulnerable to the next flu pandemic or large-scale outbreak of a contagious disease that could lead to massive rates of death and disability, severely affect the world economy, strain international resources, and increase calls on the United States for support,” the 2019 report noted.

This is the same guy that disbanded the pandemic task force that Obama started - that shut down our infectious disease office in China (ironically, located in Wuhan, of all places) - that terminated the maintenance contract for venitlators - that shipped 17.8 tons of medical equipment (including ventilators, masks and gowns) from our stockpilem two weeks after the virus broke out in the United States 0- that did 8 rallies and played golf 6 times after the virus broke out (while assuring everyone that it was under control and would just magically go away) - that has shown zero leadership - well, I could go on, but you get the picture. Everyone does.

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Every administration works diligently with the next administration to assure a smooth transition. Trump appointed Chris Christie to head his transition team, then canned him after the election. The Obama administration spent months working on detailed notebooks to assist with the transition, and had worked with Christie's staff. Then, after the election, Christie and his staff were gone, and the notebooks went thrown into the trash. A large part of the new transition staff - in addition to VP Mike Pence - was Trump's immediate family. Just for you, Blitzy, here is another LA Times article, with excerpts below (bolding is mine):

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-transition-20161111-story.html

President-elect Donald Trump named Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, the vice president-elect, to head their transition team, abruptly replacing New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie on Friday amid increasing signs that the effort to prepare the next White House is off to a rocky start.

Trump also took the unusual step of naming his three oldest children and his son-in-law to top posts, moves certain to create potential conflicts of interest given that his attorney said Trump would put his children in charge of his assets while he is president.

The transition team is always crucial, but especially so for the first president elected without experience in either government or the military. In addition to recruiting thousands of people to staff the White House, Cabinet agencies, embassies and other key government posts, the transition team needs to make sure Trump is briefed and prepared to take responsibility for the government and for implementing his policy initiatives as soon as he is inaugurated in just 76 days.

“You need to have your team on the field when the clock starts,” said Max Stier, who heads the Partnership for Public Service, a Washington nonprofit that focuses on good-government practices. "This is not simply about achieving the policy promises; it’s also about keeping us safe. Transitions are the point of maximum vulnerability for our nation.”

Another tidbit is that - seven days before the inauguration - officials from both the Trump and Obama administrations sat through a pandemic outbreak scenario. Here is the link to an article about it - https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/16/trump-inauguration-warning-scenario-pandemic-132797 -  which is eerily similar to the Covid-19 contagion. The article notes that 2/3 of the Trump attendees are now gone from the adminsitration - and would have included members of the pandemic taskforce that was subsequently downsized. 

Bottom line, you need grown-ups to run an administration. Sadly, they are all gone now.

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On 4/6/2020 at 8:16 PM, Ace Dilcock said:

Gosh, Blitzy, when you nail me with corrobarating documentation, you really nail me! From the article that YOU linked:

As the current crisis has widened, President Trump has attempted to deflect responsibility for his administration’s poor planning, suggesting the coronavirus outbreak was inconceivable.

“Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion,” the president said Thursday.

The opposite is true. The GAO, public health experts and others issued a steady drumbeat of warnings that America would sooner or later face a widespread infectious disease outbreak or a major bioterrorism attack and was woefully unprepared.

In both 2018 and 2019, U.S. intelligence agencies issued insistent warnings in their annual Worldwide Threat Assessment.

“We assess that the United States and the world will remain vulnerable to the next flu pandemic or large-scale outbreak of a contagious disease that could lead to massive rates of death and disability, severely affect the world economy, strain international resources, and increase calls on the United States for support,” the 2019 report noted.

This is the same guy that disbanded the pandemic task force that Obama started - that shut down our infectious disease office in China (ironically, located in Wuhan, of all places) - that terminated the maintenance contract for venitlators - that shipped 17.8 tons of medical equipment (including ventilators, masks and gowns) from our stockpilem two weeks after the virus broke out in the United States 0- that did 8 rallies and played golf 6 times after the virus broke out (while assuring everyone that it was under control and would just magically go away) - that has shown zero leadership - well, I could go on, but you get the picture. Everyone does.

This strikes me of the same garbage hindsight that pretended Bush ignored OBL and was to blame for 9/11.  How preposterous.  

So all these warnings and studies suddenly started when trump was in office?  Talk about cherrypicking data.

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55 minutes ago, TheKOB said:

This strikes me of the same garbage hindsight that pretended Bush ignored OBL and was to blame for 9/11.  How preposterous.  

So all these warnings and studies suddenly started when trump was in office?  Talk about cherrypicking data.

No, the warnings and studies happened during previous administrations.

What is new is a President not only disregarding the studies, but taking apart the protective apparatus put in place by his predecessors to combat the threat.

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12 hours ago, TheKOB said:

This strikes me of the same garbage hindsight that pretended Bush ignored OBL and was to blame for 9/11.  How preposterous.  

So all these warnings and studies suddenly started when trump was in office?  Talk about cherrypicking data.

You have to have a W tattoo on you somewhere. I don't know about blaming him for 9/11 but the amount of warnings that were circulating the entire year of 2001 up to the attack it is still pretty infuriating to think they were able to pull that off. I would say a fair amount of either negligence and/or incompetence (maybe even arrogance to a fault)  was at play by several levels of our government regarding the attack 

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On 4/6/2020 at 8:16 PM, Ace Dilcock said:

Gosh, Blitzy, when you nail me with corrobarating documentation, you really nail me! From the article that YOU linked:

As the current crisis has widened, President Trump has attempted to deflect responsibility for his administration’s poor planning, suggesting the coronavirus outbreak was inconceivable.

“Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion,” the president said Thursday.

The opposite is true. The GAO, public health experts and others issued a steady drumbeat of warnings that America would sooner or later face a widespread infectious disease outbreak or a major bioterrorism attack and was woefully unprepared.

In both 2018 and 2019, U.S. intelligence agencies issued insistent warnings in their annual Worldwide Threat Assessment.

“We assess that the United States and the world will remain vulnerable to the next flu pandemic or large-scale outbreak of a contagious disease that could lead to massive rates of death and disability, severely affect the world economy, strain international resources, and increase calls on the United States for support,” the 2019 report noted.

This is the same guy that disbanded the pandemic task force that Obama started - that shut down our infectious disease office in China (ironically, located in Wuhan, of all places) - that terminated the maintenance contract for venitlators - that shipped 17.8 tons of medical equipment (including ventilators, masks and gowns) from our stockpilem two weeks after the virus broke out in the United States 0- that did 8 rallies and played golf 6 times after the virus broke out (while assuring everyone that it was under control and would just magically go away) - that has shown zero leadership - well, I could go on, but you get the picture. Everyone does.

Yes, there were warnings from intelligence reports in 2018 and 2019 that we were vulnerable to a pandemic. That doesn’t mean everyone expects it to happen, if that were the case worries about earthquakes would’ve had California sliding off of the San Andreas Fault into the Pacific 40 years ago. 

We haven’t had a pandemic in our country, or globally like this previously in our lifetimes. Sure, it could’ve been handled better. What it does show is the levels of bureaucracy, bloat, and duplication of efforts in our government.

The CDC and FDA were literally running into each other because of regulations. The “disbanding of the pandemic task force” you keep talking about didn’t actually happen, https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/false-claim-about-cdcs-global-anti-pandemic-work/ .  The NSC group dealing with pandemics was combined together instead of working as separate groups. One of the Directors who resigned headed the Ebola program for about 5 years, the Director who was let go headed the malaria initiative for 11 years and had only been on the NSC for 2 months. 

A lab group was developing a quick test virus swab, contacted the FDA, and were told that by regulation they needed to send through the USPS written forms plus a CD Rom detailing their work, that’s how outdated their regulations are.

The “infectious disease office” in Wuhan was actually one person who oversaw a training program for scientists. The CDC has already said that the termination of that one position had essentially no difference on the outcome, because the Chinese government locked everything down. Did the Chinese scientists we spent hundreds of millions of dollars training give us a heads up? No.

Terminating the maintainance contract for ventilators means absolutely nothing.  The contract was terminated before the end of the fiscal year, the new contract has to go to bid. And with the government, that takes time. It had no effect on the ventilators in storage.

Yes, we sent tons of humanitarian supplies to China, just like other countries did...just to wind up affected themselves. Italy donated tons of supplies, then when they were hit hard China SOLD the exact same supplies right back to them. People do the right thing, sometimes it blows up in their faces. I think a worldwide response to a future pandemic in China will be handled much differently by other countries in the future, lesson learned.

I certainly don’t think his response (or state/ local governments response) has been perfect. Trump is annoying, brash, narcissistic, vain, whatever adjectives you want to use to describe him. But a lot of points he’s brought up over the years have been proven, including crappy trade deals and the need to reduce our critical need manufacturing done in China.

And honestly, a sizable chunk of criticism he’s receiving on things like the Defense Production Act or seemingly not guiding individual states more comes from people who don’t understand concepts like Federalism or the meaning of the Constitution.

I think when the dust settles, there’s going to have to be major recalibrations in all levels of government. There’s a tremendous amount of bloat, waste, and duplication of services at the Federal level, this pandemic should be a major wake up call. I foresee a lot of contradictory regulations being pared down, and agencies such as the CDC and FDA forced to re-examine their policies.

Personally....I think people who are constantly bitching and nit picking every decision and every statement are just negative people who love to bitch and nitpick. No one has any idea how any other person would’ve handled the situation, everyone is always ready to fight until you take that first punch... no one knows how they’ll react to that punch until they get hit,

I look to the positive...this pandemic has kindled an entrepreneurial spirit in this country. Companies have switched or added product lines very quickly, I think as business and life come back to normal there’s a lot of niches they can fill.

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23 minutes ago, Pitchcock said:

Yes, there were warnings from intelligence reports in 2018 and 2019 that we were vulnerable to a pandemic. That doesn’t mean everyone expects it to happen, if that were the case worries about earthquakes would’ve had California sliding off of the San Andreas Fault into the Pacific 40 years ago. 

We haven’t had a pandemic in our country, or globally like this previously in our lifetimes. Sure, it could’ve been handled better. What it does show is the levels of bureaucracy, bloat, and duplication of efforts in our government.

The CDC and FDA were literally running into each other because of regulations. The “disbanding of the pandemic task force” you keep talking about didn’t actually happen, https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/false-claim-about-cdcs-global-anti-pandemic-work/ .  The NSC group dealing with pandemics was combined together instead of working as separate groups. One of the Directors who resigned headed the Ebola program for about 5 years, the Director who was let go headed the malaria initiative for 11 years and had only been on the NSC for 2 months. 

A lab group was developing a quick test virus swab, contacted the FDA, and were told that by regulation they needed to send through the USPS written forms plus a CD Rom detailing their work, that’s how outdated their regulations are.

The “infectious disease office” in Wuhan was actually one person who oversaw a training program for scientists. The CDC has already said that the termination of that one position had essentially no difference on the outcome, because the Chinese government locked everything down. Did the Chinese scientists we spent hundreds of millions of dollars training give us a heads up? No.

Terminating the maintainance contract for ventilators means absolutely nothing.  The contract was terminated before the end of the fiscal year, the new contract has to go to bid. And with the government, that takes time. It had no effect on the ventilators in storage.

Yes, we sent tons of humanitarian supplies to China, just like other countries did...just to wind up affected themselves. Italy donated tons of supplies, then when they were hit hard China SOLD the exact same supplies right back to them. People do the right thing, sometimes it blows up in their faces. I think a worldwide response to a future pandemic in China will be handled much differently by other countries in the future, lesson learned.

I certainly don’t think his response (or state/ local governments response) has been perfect. Trump is annoying, brash, narcissistic, vain, whatever adjectives you want to use to describe him. But a lot of points he’s brought up over the years have been proven, including crappy trade deals and the need to reduce our critical need manufacturing done in China.

And honestly, a sizable chunk of criticism he’s receiving on things like the Defense Production Act or seemingly not guiding individual states more comes from people who don’t understand concepts like Federalism or the meaning of the Constitution.

I think when the dust settles, there’s going to have to be major recalibrations in all levels of government. There’s a tremendous amount of bloat, waste, and duplication of services at the Federal level, this pandemic should be a major wake up call. I foresee a lot of contradictory regulations being pared down, and agencies such as the CDC and FDA forced to re-examine their policies.

Personally....I think people who are constantly bitching and nit picking every decision and every statement are just negative people who love to bitch and nitpick. No one has any idea how any other person would’ve handled the situation, everyone is always ready to fight until you take that first punch... no one knows how they’ll react to that punch until they get hit,

I look to the positive...this pandemic has kindled an entrepreneurial spirit in this country. Companies have switched or added product lines very quickly, I think as business and life come back to normal there’s a lot of niches they can fill.

Well said.

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I won't quote the entire post due to its length - I thought I was lengthy, LOL - but I agree with Blitz - well said. It is refreshing to see someone defending Trump that actually researches and responds with fact and logic, not deflection and untruths.

The discussion is basically this: Did Trump implement policies that made us somewhat less prepared for a global pandemic, or did he totally eviscerate the response apparatus? You are basically arguing the former - that he did nothing to make up better prepared, but he did not hurt the response that badly. I suspect the truth is somewhere in between - due, in part, to other parties being involved, which tempered Trump's efforts to strip the programs. For instance, he proposed cutting the CDC budget for 2020 by 19% - but Congress restored the funding.This followed a similar attempt to cut 10% from the CDC for the 2019 budget, which was also re-instated by Congress.

Here is Dr. Fauci talking about the NSC's Global Response unit (from a Business Insider article dated 3/11) - and yes, he did downsize and de-prioritize the unit and make us less prepared:

"We worked very well with that office. It would be nice if the office was still there," Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said during a House Oversight and Reform Committee hearing on Wednesday.

In May 2018, Trump ordered the NSC's global-health unit to close and reassigned Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer, who would've overseen the US response to a pandemic in that role. This came not long after John Bolton, the national security adviser, pushed out Tom Bossert, the White House homeland security adviser who had pushed for a robust strategy against pandemics and biological attacks.

But you are right - the office did not entirely close, it was rolled into an office with two other units.

And yes, the China office was only one person, But that person could have made a difference - we will never know now. With the disinformation that China is famous for, it would have been helpful to have an embedded expert in place - of course, Trump also disregarded intelligence reports and e-mails from his own staff, so maybe not. This is from Reuters on March 11:

“It was heartbreaking to watch,” said Bao-Ping Zhu, a Chinese American who served in that role, which was funded by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, between 2007 and 2011. “If someone had been there, public health officials and governments across the world could have moved much faster.”

Zhu and the other sources said the American expert, Dr. Linda Quick, was a trainer of Chinese field epidemiologists who were deployed to the epicenter of outbreaks to help track, investigate and contain diseases.

As an American CDC employee, they said, Quick was in an ideal position to be the eyes and ears on the ground for the United States and other countries on the coronavirus outbreak, and might have alerted them to the growing threat weeks earlier.

No other foreign disease experts were embedded to lead the program after Quick left in July, according to the sources. Zhu said an embedded expert can often get word of outbreaks early, after forming close relationships with Chinese counterparts.

Yes , we should have sent 17.8 tons of medical supplies to China. China has actually returned the favor, with supplies coming back in recent days. But if you deplete our supplies, take immediate steps to replace them. And if it is ovious the virus is coming here, mobilize industry to ramp up production.

Instead, American industry ramped up - to supply other countries. When the virus hit, we could not even get the normal production output from our industries - because their output was going to orders from overseas.

I am not saying that Trump was sitting down on the job as the virus hit - he stands when he does his rallies (8 total) and when he is hitting the golf ball (6 times). But he certainly did nothing to prepare us, and his rhetoric caused many Americans to take it lightly and fail to get ready.

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Interesting article that lays out some of the critical breakdowns. Fed, state, and individual hospitals are all on the hook for not having enough items for this and everyone was warned repeatedly. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/04/13/coronavirus-preparation-states-foresaw-shortages-ppe-equipment-triage-states/2974897001/

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  1. 4 hours ago, JimG said:

    Interesting article that lays out some of the critical breakdowns. Fed, state, and individual hospitals are all on the hook for not having enough items for this and everyone was warned repeatedly. 

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/04/13/coronavirus-preparation-states-foresaw-shortages-ppe-equipment-triage-states/2974897001/

    FEMA stresses that disaster operations are federally supported, state-managed and locally executed. That means hospitals, cities and counties bear the burden of care. The U.S. government offers information, advice and money, as well as backup supplies: The Strategic National Stockpile was created by Congress in 1999 “to supply states and communities with large quantities of essential medical material during an emergency."

SAYS IT ALL! You would think that states and the federal government would have a system in place to move stockpiled supplies before they expire and replenish... To say we were warned by folks who warn of this yearly is just simple minded and like listening to the boy who cried wolf! We were warned that global warming would put Florida and California under the ocean with it being to hot to breath, we were warned that Hydroxychloroquine was an untested and dangerous treatment that could kill people, we were told that a travel ban would not work and was xenophobic, we were warned that we would not have any glaciers by now, we were warned that 100,000's would be dead by now and that this virus is 20 times worse than the flu, we warned told that it would take years for a virus, we were told that China had less than 20,000 dead... we were warned that Russia elected Trump and he worked with them to get elected, we were warned that He would ruin the economy and the country, we were warned that those lost jobs would not come back-their is no magic wand... We were warned that an embassy was going to be attacked... We were warned that if Ebola made it the US we could not contain it, we are warned everyday that Tobacco kills and alcohol kills... Heck we were warned that we could expect storms like Katrina yearly... We have been warned of the great earthquake or meteor or volcano eruption... 

One day the boy who cried wolf was eaten by the wolf and people looked at everyone after a decade of warnings as if they should have been prepared to protect the boy as he had cried it for a decade and start pointing fingers! I will warn you that one day robots will attack, one day aliens will attack and we need to get ready... Some warn of impending attacks on our freedom, some warn of assault weapons and neo-Nazis, some warn of war with China and Russia-atomic fallout... Hope your ready for all of these as president or Ace Littlecock and his cronies will want you removed from office no matter if states, counties, cities are not ready, you better be! Hindsight is 20/20 and they become experts after the fact! 

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1 hour ago, GMB2USC23 said:
  1. FEMA stresses that disaster operations are federally supported, state-managed and locally executed. That means hospitals, cities and counties bear the burden of care. The U.S. government offers information, advice and money, as well as backup supplies: The Strategic National Stockpile was created by Congress in 1999 “to supply states and communities with large quantities of essential medical material during an emergency."

SAYS IT ALL! You would think that states and the federal government would have a system in place to move stockpiled supplies before they expire and replenish... To say we were warned by folks who warn of this yearly is just simple minded and like listening to the boy who cried wolf! We were warned that global warming would put Florida and California under the ocean with it being to hot to breath, we were warned that Hydroxychloroquine was an untested and dangerous treatment that could kill people, we were told that a travel ban would not work and was xenophobic, we were warned that we would not have any glaciers by now, we were warned that 100,000's would be dead by now and that this virus is 20 times worse than the flu, we warned told that it would take years for a virus, we were told that China had less than 20,000 dead... we were warned that Russia elected Trump and he worked with them to get elected, we were warned that He would ruin the economy and the country, we were warned that those lost jobs would not come back-their is no magic wand... We were warned that an embassy was going to be attacked... We were warned that if Ebola made it the US we could not contain it, we are warned everyday that Tobacco kills and alcohol kills... Heck we were warned that we could expect storms like Katrina yearly... We have been warned of the great earthquake or meteor or volcano eruption... 

One day the boy who cried wolf was eaten by the wolf and people looked at everyone after a decade of warnings as if they should have been prepared to protect the boy as he had cried it for a decade and start pointing fingers! I will warn you that one day robots will attack, one day aliens will attack and we need to get ready... Some warn of impending attacks on our freedom, some warn of assault weapons and neo-Nazis, some warn of war with China and Russia-atomic fallout... Hope your ready for all of these as president or Ace Littlecock and his cronies will want you removed from office no matter if states, counties, cities are not ready, you better be! Hindsight is 20/20 and they become experts after the fact! 

Excellent post! Brilliant! I want to be able to use this wisdom in the future, so please confirm that I have the key tenets correct:

You never know when bad stuff is going to happen, so just don't worry about it. No preparation needed. If your predecessors put systems in place to prepare for bad stuff, just shut them all down. 

Then, when bad stuff does happen, just ignore it - play golf, hold rallies, and tell everyone that the bad stuff isn't bad at all - so no one else will prepare either.

The sheer genius of following your plan is that we can elect anyone as President and it will not matter. We could even elect, say, a reality TV star, with no government experience at all, who does not give a rat's ass about anyone but himself - and he can carry out your plan perfectly! You, sir, have nailed it! Well done!

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1 hour ago, Ace Dilcock said:

Excellent post! Brilliant! I want to be able to use this wisdom in the future, so please confirm that I have the key tenets correct:

You never know when bad stuff is going to happen, so just don't worry about it. No preparation needed. If your predecessors put systems in place to prepare for bad stuff, just shut them all down. 

Then, when bad stuff does happen, just ignore it - play golf, hold rallies, and tell everyone that the bad stuff isn't bad at all - so no one else will prepare either.

The sheer genius of following your plan is that we can elect anyone as President and it will not matter. We could even elect, say, a reality TV star, with no government experience at all, who does not give a rat's ass about anyone but himself - and he can carry out your plan perfectly! You, sir, have nailed it! Well done!

So his administration has done nothing and were not prepared, according to the governor, A Democrat with no reason to lie stated, "Trump administration has done anything and everything they could to help the state of California prepare and battle the coronavirus".... Have we run out of ventilators, have 100's of thousands died and less would have dies if NY would have listened to the president's guidance on Marth 15th to slow the spread of the virus...

 

I guess he did not offer experts to China on Jan 3rd and 5th to get a better handle on this virus along with aid

I guess his administration did not on Jan 7th establish an incident management system to better share and respond to information concerning the virus

I guess his administration did not authorize the NIH to start working on a vaccine on Jan 20th and implement a white house taskforce on coronavirus on the 27th

I guess on Jan. 31 he didn't declare coronavirus a U.S. public health emergency and issued the ban on travel between the United States and China while also funneling all china flights to 7 airports. On that same day, the Senate voted on the production of additional documents in the impeachment trial of President Trump. Campaigning in Iowa that day, Biden criticized President Trump’s China travel ban, saying during an Iowa campaign event, “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia.”  and 5 days later on Feb. 5, the CDC issued a public statement saying, “While we continue to believe the immediate risk of 2019nCoV exposure to the general public is low, CDC is undertaking measures to help keep that risk low.” He made that decision at a time the CDC was assuring us the risk to America was low, the WHO was covering for China, Democrats were trying to impeach the president, and Biden was attacking the decision as xenophobic.

I guess he didn't on March 13 declare a national emergency just 2 days after the WHO declared a pandemic and 14 days after the first death in the US from COVID-19 to open up 50 Billion worth of aid for states

 

Tell us how prepared California is to fall in the ocean after an earthquake, tell us how prepared states along the Mississippi are prepared for a 100 year flood, tell us how prepared Columbia was for a 100 year flood and how you have prepared for this pandemic as well as preparing your loved ones, just curious? If all systems to shut this down were true we would have had pandemonium all over the US, the CDC was all over this from the beginning and Trump listened to them, the NIH was all over this from the beginning and Trump listened to them, WHO has played politics from the beginning and it is hard to trust them, Trump has listened to experts on treatments as he was all over the best treatment at this point for this disease in Hydroxychloroquine, what was you opinion on that treatment again? If you or your liberal/Democratic friends were in charge the Chinese travel would have continued for another month at least, no one would have been saved by Hydroxychloroquine or allowed to try it for months due to its "danger" LMAO and we would be preparing for 100's of thousands of deaths... 

 

 

 

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So his administration has done nothing and were not prepared, according to the governor, A Democrat with no reason to lie stated, "Trump administration has done anything and everything they could to help the state of California prepare and battle the coronavirus".... Have we run out of ventilators, have 100's of thousands died and less would have dies if NY would have listened to the president's guidance on Marth 15th to slow the spread of the virus...

 

I guess he did not offer experts to China on Jan 3rd and 5th to get a better handle on this virus along with aid

I guess his administration did not on Jan 7th establish an incident management system to better share and respond to information concerning the virus

I guess his administration did not authorize the NIH to start working on a vaccine on Jan 20th and implement a white house taskforce on coronavirus on the 27th

I guess on Jan. 31 he didn't declare coronavirus a U.S. public health emergency and issued the ban on travel between the United States and China while also funneling all china flights to 7 airports. On that same day, the Senate voted on the production of additional documents in the impeachment trial of President Trump. Campaigning in Iowa that day, Biden criticized President Trump’s China travel ban, saying during an Iowa campaign event, “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia.”  and 5 days later on Feb. 5, the CDC issued a public statement saying, “While we continue to believe the immediate risk of 2019nCoV exposure to the general public is low, CDC is undertaking measures to help keep that risk low.” He made that decision at a time the CDC was assuring us the risk to America was low, the WHO was covering for China, Democrats were trying to impeach the president, and Biden was attacking the decision as xenophobic.

I guess he didn't on March 13 declare a national emergency just 2 days after the WHO declared a pandemic and 14 days after the first death in the US from COVID-19 to open up 50 Billion worth of aid for states

 

Tell us how prepared California is to fall in the ocean after an earthquake, tell us how prepared states along the Mississippi are prepared for a 100 year flood, tell us how prepared Columbia was for a 100 year flood and how you have prepared for this pandemic as well as preparing your loved ones, just curious? If all systems to shut this down were true we would have had pandemonium all over the US, the CDC was all over this from the beginning and Trump listened to them, the NIH was all over this from the beginning and Trump listened to them, WHO has played politics from the beginning and it is hard to trust them, Trump has listened to experts on treatments as he was all over the best treatment at this point for this disease in Hydroxychloroquine, what was you opinion on that treatment again? If you or your liberal/Democratic friends were in charge the Chinese travel would have continued for another month at least, no one would have been saved by Hydroxychloroquine or allowed to try it for months due to its "danger" LMAO and we would be preparing for 100's of thousands of deaths... 

 

 

 

Love it. Your previous post pretty much was just an alibi for Trump doing a crappy job, then you respond by saying he did a wonderful job. Make up your mind.

I could not find where Trump offered experts to China on January 3rd and 5th. I did see an offer at the end of January - but by that time, WHO was already sending experts, which included Anericans. And, of course, we would have had an expert in the field from Day One - but she was pulled in July.

The "incident management system on January 7" was set up in-house by the CDC - and was so obscure that a google search only pulled up a passing mention in a GOP article. I would be very surprised if Trump even knew about it, and he was likely to make light of it, had he known. Here is why: 

https://theweek.com/speedreads/903950/government-officials-reportedly-just-couldnt-trump-anything-about-coronavirus-early

And no, his administration did NOT place a travel ban on China. It placed a ban on Chinese nationals coming directly from China - not that he had to, because the airlines had already announced they were stopping flights. Americans were allowed to come back from China and go back into the population - WITHOUT testing. Because, of course, we had NO tests! Chinese nationals were STILL allowed to come to the United States - as long as they did not fly directly from China. And we now know that our main outbreak in New York was getting its first cases i early February - coming from Europe, not China. Great job of shutting out the virus, huh?

And as far as declaring national emergencies - what the hell did that accomplish? He did not do anything!!!!!! No gathering of supplies - he gave 17.8 tons to China, did not order replacements, and allowed our manufacturer's output of supplies to be shipped away - because other countries did order supples, we did not! It was like invoking the Defense Procurement Act - and not using it for two weeks!!

From January to the second week of March, Trump did nothing - except play golf and do rallies, where he made it clear that the virus was not a problem at all, just the latest hoax from the Democrats. He did nothing to prepare us and a lot to prevent us from being prepared. 

Since he has taken the virus seriously, it has been a total clusterf*ck, from testing to PPE to mixed messages. No leadership - no direction - he claims to be a back-up and a cheerleader, makes zero decisions to stop the spread - but now he claims that only he has the authority to stop the shutdown.!!

Your first approach made more sense than trying to defend his actions. The man is incompetent.

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14 hours ago, Ace Dilcock said:

Love it. Your previous post pretty much was just an alibi for Trump doing a crappy job, then you respond by saying he did a wonderful job. Make up your mind.

I could not find where Trump offered experts to China on January 3rd and 5th. I did see an offer at the end of January - but by that time, WHO was already sending experts, which included Anericans. And, of course, we would have had an expert in the field from Day One - but she was pulled in July.

The "incident management system on January 7" was set up in-house by the CDC - and was so obscure that a google search only pulled up a passing mention in a GOP article. I would be very surprised if Trump even knew about it, and he was likely to make light of it, had he known. Here is why: 

https://theweek.com/speedreads/903950/government-officials-reportedly-just-couldnt-trump-anything-about-coronavirus-early

And no, his administration did NOT place a travel ban on China. It placed a ban on Chinese nationals coming directly from China - not that he had to, because the airlines had already announced they were stopping flights. Americans were allowed to come back from China and go back into the population - WITHOUT testing. Because, of course, we had NO tests! Chinese nationals were STILL allowed to come to the United States - as long as they did not fly directly from China. And we now know that our main outbreak in New York was getting its first cases i early February - coming from Europe, not China. Great job of shutting out the virus, huh?

And as far as declaring national emergencies - what the hell did that accomplish? He did not do anything!!!!!! No gathering of supplies - he gave 17.8 tons to China, did not order replacements, and allowed our manufacturer's output of supplies to be shipped away - because other countries did order supples, we did not! It was like invoking the Defense Procurement Act - and not using it for two weeks!!

From January to the second week of March, Trump did nothing - except play golf and do rallies, where he made it clear that the virus was not a problem at all, just the latest hoax from the Democrats. He did nothing to prepare us and a lot to prevent us from being prepared. 

Since he has taken the virus seriously, it has been a total clusterf*ck, from testing to PPE to mixed messages. No leadership - no direction - he claims to be a back-up and a cheerleader, makes zero decisions to stop the spread - but now he claims that only he has the authority to stop the shutdown.!!

Your first approach made more sense than trying to defend his actions. The man is incompetent.

The CDC is part of his administration but you would play the card that Trump did not know about something because it meets your narrative and agenda. If someone told you Trump did not know something that happened under him in one of his administrations you would immediately say he is responsible unless it does not meet your narrative and agenda, typical! 

So if airlines stopped flights into and out of China what would it matter if a Chinese national flew into the states? The travel ban stated that a Chinese National who has traveled in or out of mainland China in the last 14 days will not be permitted to enter the US, any other US citizen or foreign national that has traveled in or out of mainland China in the last 14 days will be permitted into the US after undergoing a health screening and will be asked to quarantine for 14 days and it mandated that all incoming flights from China be routed to 7 airports. After this decision US airlines American, Delta and United Airlines suspended flights to and from mainland China. British Airways and Lufthansa started canceling flights to and from China on the 29th while a few other international airlines started reducing flights. 

Declaring a National Emergency opened up 50 billion dollars and enacted FEMA to respond and work with states but hey this is really nothing. He also declared an Emergency under the National Emergency Act to waive certain guidelines under Medicaid, Medicare and SCHIP. This also opened up funds for private partnerships to find a virus, make a quicker and more reliable test, it allowed hospital to enact their "emergency preparedness plans" and waived certain laws and regulations to allow hospitals to care for all patients, allow "telehealth", waive stay provisions, open or look for more office space and hospital space.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/us-health-officials-on-coronavirus-outbreak

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Did-Trump-offer-experts-to-China-to-help-with-the-15179432.php

On Jan. 3, Redfield emailed George Gao, director of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, and spoke with him the same day, she said, citing his calendar entry.

The next day, Redfield emailed Gao, writing: "I would like to offer CDC technical experts in laboratory and epidemiology of respiratory infectious diseases to assist you and China CDC in identification of this unknown and possibly novel pathogen." Two days later, he sent another email, attaching a formal letter offering CDC support, McKeogh said.

On Jan. 6, the Trump administration "offered to send a CDC team to China that could assist with these public health efforts," HHS Secretary Alex Azar told reporters on Jan. 28. "I reiterated that offer when I spoke to China's minister of health on Monday, and it was reiterated again via the World Health Organization today. We are urging China: More cooperation and transparency are the most important steps you can take toward a more effective response."

 

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The CDC is part of his administration but you would play the card that Trump did not know about something because it meets your narrative and agenda. If someone told you Trump did not know something that happened under him in one of his administrations you would immediately say he is responsible unless it does not meet your narrative and agenda, typical! 

So if airlines stopped flights into and out of China what would it matter if a Chinese national flew into the states? The travel ban stated that a Chinese National who has traveled in or out of mainland China in the last 14 days will not be permitted to enter the US, any other US citizen or foreign national that has traveled in or out of mainland China in the last 14 days will be permitted into the US after undergoing a health screening and will be asked to quarantine for 14 days and it mandated that all incoming flights from China be routed to 7 airports. After this decision US airlines American, Delta and United Airlines suspended flights to and from mainland China. British Airways and Lufthansa started canceling flights to and from China on the 29th while a few other international airlines started reducing flights. 

Declaring a National Emergency opened up 50 billion dollars and enacted FEMA to respond and work with states but hey this is really nothing. He also declared an Emergency under the National Emergency Act to waive certain guidelines under Medicaid, Medicare and SCHIP. This also opened up funds for private partnerships to find a virus, make a quicker and more reliable test, it allowed hospital to enact their "emergency preparedness plans" and waived certain laws and regulations to allow hospitals to care for all patients, allow "telehealth", waive stay provisions, open or look for more office space and hospital space.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/us-health-officials-on-coronavirus-outbreak

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Did-Trump-offer-experts-to-China-to-help-with-the-15179432.php

On Jan. 3, Redfield emailed George Gao, director of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, and spoke with him the same day, she said, citing his calendar entry.

The next day, Redfield emailed Gao, writing: "I would like to offer CDC technical experts in laboratory and epidemiology of respiratory infectious diseases to assist you and China CDC in identification of this unknown and possibly novel pathogen." Two days later, he sent another email, attaching a formal letter offering CDC support, McKeogh said.

On Jan. 6, the Trump administration "offered to send a CDC team to China that could assist with these public health efforts," HHS Secretary Alex Azar told reporters on Jan. 28. "I reiterated that offer when I spoke to China's minister of health on Monday, and it was reiterated again via the World Health Organization today. We are urging China: More cooperation and transparency are the most important steps you can take toward a more effective response."

 

You seem to be confusing offering to help with actually helping. And activating powers that allow you to take action with actually taking action.

In your own linked article, it notes that HHS Secretary Azar could not get Trump on the phone to talk about the virus until January 18th, and then Trump quickly changed the topic to vaping. So the offers to help China - and gain the same valuable infomration that we would have already had if the infectious disease expert was not pulled back in July - were not acted on by Trump. The same thing happened later in the month, when Trump offered help to Premier XI but did not push. Gee - I wonder why Chinese was mad at us? It is not llike we had been in a protracted trade war with China or anything - oh, wait. Nevermind.

Trump's China travel ban really dd nothing. In January, 430,000 people came to America from China, including thousands from Wuhan. Talking about shutting the barn doors after the cows get out! Then another 40,000 people came from China AFTER the travel ban - Americans, along with dependents and spouses. They were screened - basically checked to see if they had symptoms - and were told to self-quarantine if they had symptoms. No testing - which meant that anyone that was asymptomatic, or was still in the incubation phase, was free to help the disease spread.

Plus, your chronology is a little off - Trump declared his "travel ban" on 1/31, effective 2/2. United Airlines announced a suspension of flights on 1/28, American Airlines on 1/29 - so Trump was shutting down flights that were already shut down. Tallk about bold and decisive action!

But we know now that most American cases did not come from China - they came from other locations, primarily Europe. That was the case for New York, the worst hit area. The spread started in New York at about the same time as the "China travel ban" - and a ban on European travel was not put in place until mid-March. The cows had time to leave the barn, come back, and go back out again - several times The China ban did not slow the spread in New York - at all.

Declaring an emergency did the same amount of good as enacting the Defense Procurement act - nothing. Did FEMA start buying stuff when the emergency was declared? Did Trump direct industry to start making needed supplies and equipment under the DPA? No and no. The first supply move after the emergency was declared was to assemble 17.8 tons of medical supplies - gowns, masks, ventilators - and send them to China on February 6th. You can't make this stuff up!

Basically, Trump did zilch in January. Ditto for February.  He finally woke up in the second week of March - until then, he did little except to totally downplay the virus and its impact. Oh, and play golf. And hold rallies, where he downplayed the virus and called the warnings a Democratic hoax. 

Once he started to respond. it was in fits and jerks - which is why testing has been a disaster, our medical professionals do not have PPE, states are winging it without federal guidance, etc. 

Again - a dead squirrel would have done better. At least a dead squirrel would not have gotten in the way of the true professionals that know what they are doing.

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16 hours ago, Ace Dilcock said:

You seem to be confusing offering to help with actually helping. And activating powers that allow you to take action with actually taking action.

In your own linked article, it notes that HHS Secretary Azar could not get Trump on the phone to talk about the virus until January 18th, and then Trump quickly changed the topic to vaping. So the offers to help China - and gain the same valuable infomration that we would have already had if the infectious disease expert was not pulled back in July - were not acted on by Trump. The same thing happened later in the month, when Trump offered help to Premier XI but did not push. Gee - I wonder why Chinese was mad at us? It is not llike we had been in a protracted trade war with China or anything - oh, wait. Nevermind.

Trump's China travel ban really dd nothing. In January, 430,000 people came to America from China, including thousands from Wuhan. Talking about shutting the barn doors after the cows get out! Then another 40,000 people came from China AFTER the travel ban - Americans, along with dependents and spouses. They were screened - basically checked to see if they had symptoms - and were told to self-quarantine if they had symptoms. No testing - which meant that anyone that was asymptomatic, or was still in the incubation phase, was free to help the disease spread.

Plus, your chronology is a little off - Trump declared his "travel ban" on 1/31, effective 2/2. United Airlines announced a suspension of flights on 1/28, American Airlines on 1/29 - so Trump was shutting down flights that were already shut down. Tallk about bold and decisive action!

But we know now that most American cases did not come from China - they came from other locations, primarily Europe. That was the case for New York, the worst hit area. The spread started in New York at about the same time as the "China travel ban" - and a ban on European travel was not put in place until mid-March. The cows had time to leave the barn, come back, and go back out again - several times The China ban did not slow the spread in New York - at all.

Declaring an emergency did the same amount of good as enacting the Defense Procurement act - nothing. Did FEMA start buying stuff when the emergency was declared? Did Trump direct industry to start making needed supplies and equipment under the DPA? No and no. The first supply move after the emergency was declared was to assemble 17.8 tons of medical supplies - gowns, masks, ventilators - and send them to China on February 6th. You can't make this stuff up!

Basically, Trump did zilch in January. Ditto for February.  He finally woke up in the second week of March - until then, he did little except to totally downplay the virus and its impact. Oh, and play golf. And hold rallies, where he downplayed the virus and called the warnings a Democratic hoax. 

Once he started to respond. it was in fits and jerks - which is why testing has been a disaster, our medical professionals do not have PPE, states are winging it without federal guidance, etc. 

Again - a dead squirrel would have done better. At least a dead squirrel would not have gotten in the way of the true professionals that know what they are doing.

So him taking action that you feel did nothing was not taking action, you twist and spin things to fit your opinion and agenda! One thing is taking an action that you FEEL did no good so it was not taking action, it was his administration that you said took no actions so you but spin and twist it to show it was not Trump that took the action and even this is from the Biden campaign and Washington post, "Jeffrey Prescott, a Biden campaign foreign policy adviser, pointed to a Washington Post report that Azar could not get the president on the line to discuss the problem until Jan. 18 - and that Trump interjected to talk about vaping. "It is very clear the president was not focused on it," he said.

The true professionals as late as Feb 10th stated this virus remained a very low threat to the US and they all have stated President Trump has listened to them and took their advice but once again you spin it and twist to fit your agenda and opinion! Governors of states have said Trump was a huge help and took action when they requested with no questions asked. 

Notice this quote says Trump administration and the White House stated numerous times that the president spoke with Xi and requested he let us send our experts in to assist... On Jan. 6, the Trump administration "offered to send a CDC team to China that could assist with these public health efforts," HHS Secretary Alex Azar told reporters on Jan. 28. "I reiterated that offer when I spoke to China's minister of health on Monday, and it was reiterated again via the World Health Organization today. We are urging China: More cooperation and transparency are the most important steps you can take toward a more effective response." This quote seems to go against the what Prescott stated and this was stated by Azar at a press conference full of reporters and shown on national TV but you keep spinning...

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"The true professionals as late as Feb 10th stated this virus remained a very low threat to the US". Okay....then why did Trump continue to downplay the virus and DO NOTHING for another month?????

So Trump "tried" to send people to China.  But nobody went until much later - because he had screwed the pooch with China over the trade deal. And when our experts finally went, it was as part of WHO - the same WHO that Genius Boy is getting us out of, so we will not have any access in the future. 

Then you have the Emergency proclamation and enacting the Defense Powers Act - and he did nothing with either one until much, much later.

But you are right, Trump should get a Gold Star for trying. A participation trophy. Here is a novel thought - how about actually get something done?? It is not about how people FEEL about what Trump has done - it is about what Trump has DONE. And there is a reason that we have 30% of the world's cases with only 4% of the world's population.

You idiot, 10 days before Feb 10th he implemented the travel ban and he declared the Emergency proclamation on the same day as the Travel Ban, Jan 31st, you should go back to sleep... Yeah, it is obvious we do not have a problem with our supply chain being indebted to China, this was obvious during this crisis. It has been obvious for years that we needed to do something to stop the flow of items from China into the US, imagine if in the middle of the Cold War we did this much business with Russia but liberals and Dems have no problem with China's using basically state slave labor and sweat shops to produce goods but a problem with Trump GTFO here with that crap! First off we do not have any idea how other nations are reporting deaths from COVID-19, we do know that if you were in hospice and caught COVID-19 your death is reported to be from COVID-19 in America even if you never tested positive but showed symptoms... 

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My, my - a little testy? You are talking about the same "travel ban" that was issued after 430K traveled from China in the month of January? The same "travel ban" that allowed 40K more to come from China after it was put in place?  The same "travel ban" that ignored Europe completely until March 13th, and then did not include all of Europe, or stop Americans from coming back from Europe? The same "travel ban" that allowed people coming from Europe to spread the virus all over New York during the month of February, making New York the second most infected country in the world - behind the United States - if it were a separate country? Yeah, he solved everything with that travel ban, LOL.

And what did he do with the emergency proclamation?? NOTHING. Just like the Defense Production Act. You can give him a gold star, I prefer a leader that takes action to solve problems, not say the problem does not exist.

You stated, "The true professionals as late as Feb 10th stated this virus remained a very low threat to the US". Okay....then why did Trump continue to downplay the virus and DO NOTHING for another month?????".... So if he does not impose the travel ban how many continue to enter the country, lets not forget that a majority of lawmakers and the news media berated Trump for this "travel ban", so as late as Feb 10th the experts and the media were telling us that this virus was not much of a threat to the US and on March 13 Trump again requests another travel ban from European countries that again he was berated for by some on the left and the media. So how bad do you think COVID-19 would have been had he not implemented travel bans at all, just curious? I'm not giving him a gold start but you and your Aceboo are saying he did "NOTHING", I think I have shown that to be untrue! Just declaring the emergency proclamation opened up money for the states to prepare and allowed all hospitals to implement their emergency preparedness plan, allowed states like California and New York to request make shift contingency hospitals from FEMA and USACE but hey keep your head in the sand and your hate of trump strong, TRUMP 2020! 

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