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https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/trump-cites-post-op-ed-to-blast-cuomo-for-not-buying-ventilators-in-2015/

 

So Cuomo had a chance to buy 16k ventilators back in 2015 and declined.  My my my. 

Cue the attacks on the linked source.  lol

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You are right about the source, and it shows how desperate the Far Right Trumpites are getting.  They know that Trump failed in a huge way - the ads showing his comments from the start of the crisis are going to kill him, which is why he is suing to block them.

You linked an article from the New York Post - owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, along with Fox News - that references an editorial from the New York Post  that was written by a former New York Lieutenant Governor - who also happens to be a comentator on Fox News. Inbreeding much? Not a credible news source in the bunch and it is a piece of trash journalism - short on facts, long on innuendo and insinuation, and totally misleading.

The Lieutenant Governor left office in 1998, but she acts like she had the inside scoop on what happened 17 years later. She is very vague about how New York public health officials came to the conclusion that they would need 16,000 more ventilators in addition to the 2000 they already had.  She just said that "they learned" - sketchy enough for you? Who told them that? The federal government? The CDC? A medical expert? A ventilator salesman? Without an explanation, there is no way to know if that was true - and even is it was, they got the number wrong. 16,000 is not enough for the current crisis. 

Cuomo was not "offered the chance to buy 16,000 more ventilators". There is nothing in the article that says - no matter how the public health officials "learned" that they needed 16,000 more ventilators (if they did) - that they ever made Cuomo aware that they were short, or made a recommendation for him to buy more. And no one came to Cuomo saying "would you like to buy 16,000 ventilators for $576 million"? There is nothing to show that Cuomo even knew that they did not have enough ventilators. Total BS. Lie after lie. It is the Trump.RightWing way.

An analogy to show how ridiculous this is: If South Carolina is hit by a major hurricane in 2020, and Henry McMaster asks for earth-moving equipment for our coast, would Fox News blast him for not spending millions on bulldozers and graders? They could say, truthfully, that he had the chance to buy 500 million in equipment in 2018 (you can always buy anything if you have enough money) - when he "learned" that he would need that much equipment.

 

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They know that Trump failed in a huge way

OK, hater, explain this assessment from the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. It's so bad for the left, their willing stooges in the media are ignoring it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-most-prepared-country-in-the-world-for-pandemics-johns-hopkins-study-found-in-2019

Per this chart, the most prepared nation were the US, Canada, the UK, France, Sweden, Finland, Thailand, South Korea, and Australia.

https://www.ghsindex.org/

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8 hours ago, SwampFox said:

OK, hater, explain this assessment from the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. It's so bad for the left, their willing stooges in the media are ignoring it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-most-prepared-country-in-the-world-for-pandemics-johns-hopkins-study-found-in-2019

Per this chart, the most prepared nation were the US, Canada, the UK, France, Sweden, Finland, Thailand, South Korea, and Australia.

https://www.ghsindex.org/

You know the drill...these are the same people that defend Cuba and China and wet their pants if someone refers to it as the Chinese virus while attacking Trump 24/7. 

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9 hours ago, SwampFox said:

OK, hater, explain this assessment from the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. It's so bad for the left, their willing stooges in the media are ignoring it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-most-prepared-country-in-the-world-for-pandemics-johns-hopkins-study-found-in-2019

Per this chart, the most prepared nation were the US, Canada, the UK, France, Sweden, Finland, Thailand, South Korea, and Australia.

https://www.ghsindex.org/

So most prepared = most cases? Is that what we win?

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4 minutes ago, Blitzkrieg said:

I bet you can't, that seems to be the only interest you sad, pathetic Libs have.

That is called sarcasm you brain dead twit. It's the Trump dick suckers who can't get enough of his constant lying and passing the blame, you guys lap it up like good little puppets 

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30 minutes ago, MFB said:

That is called sarcasm you brain dead twit. It's the Trump dick suckers who can't get enough of his constant lying and passing the blame, you guys lap it up like good little puppets 

Man you are one sad pathetic little man.  I truly hope you seek some help.

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3 hours ago, SwampFox said:

To answer your earlier question about how we could be the most prepared country - and still be doing the WORST job, based on results - the answer is leadership. The data was assembled from 2018 to 2019, and obviously a lot of the credit for preparedness goes to the previous administration, which responded to the Ebola outbreak by getting us ready. Trump, did not do anything to help us be prepared - trying to cut the CDC's budget, and closing up the NSC pandemic task force, making the remnants part of a different group, and laying off personnel. Then we have the denial and the slow response.

Kind a tortoise and hare thing - with Trump (and America) playing the part of the hare, and the rest of the world being the tortoise. And, as we speak, we just topped 100,000 cases. Imagine how many we would have if we had our act together with testing.

As for the ROK death rate......that means absolutely nothing, except that our healthcare abilities and health of the citizens is similar. What matters is how the two countries HANDLED the crisis. On March 6th, South Korea had app. 7000 cases, while we had only 402. Now they have 9,332, but only 4,665 are active, while we have 100, 717, with 98,311 active. That is the difference when you have leadership and testing.

And, of course, our numbers would be much higher if we had gotten our act together with testing - incredibly, SCDHEC did not do tests for two days THIS WEEK because they lacked the reagents to analyze the tests, and they have a backlog of 1800 tests (which means about 200 more positve cases). And SCDHEC said that private labs were delayed even longer.

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The original article debunked below - I covered some of the inaccuracies earlier, this is much more detailed. It shows how much the truth was stretched, twisted, and ignored - and how desperate Trump and his minions are getting over their completely bungled handling of the Coronavirus.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trumps-misleading-ventilator-counter-punch-at-cuomo/

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38 minutes ago, Ace Dilcock said:

To answer your earlier question about how we could be the most prepared country - and still be doing the WORST job, based on results - the answer is leadership. The data was assembled from 2018 to 2019, and obviously a lot of the credit for preparedness goes to the previous administration, which responded to the Ebola outbreak by getting us ready. Trump, did not do anything to help us be prepared - trying to cut the CDC's budget, and closing up the NSC pandemic task force, making the remnants part of a different group, and laying off personnel. Then we have the denial and the slow response.

Kind a tortoise and hare thing - with Trump (and America) playing the part of the hare, and the rest of the world being the tortoise. And, as we speak, we just topped 100,000 cases. Imagine how many we would have if we had our act together with testing.

As for the ROK death rate......that means absolutely nothing, except that our healthcare abilities and health of the citizens is similar. What matters is how the two countries HANDLED the crisis. On March 6th, South Korea had app. 7000 cases, while we had only 402. Now they have 9,332, but only 4,665 are active, while we have 100, 717, with 98,311 active. That is the difference when you have leadership and testing.

And, of course, our numbers would be much higher if we had gotten our act together with testing - incredibly, SCDHEC did not do tests for two days THIS WEEK because they lacked the reagents to analyze the tests, and they have a backlog of 1800 tests (which means about 200 more positve cases). And SCDHEC said that private labs were delayed even longer.

I think you meant to say the crude mortality rate would be lower. If we tested more people the rate would go down not up.

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To answer your earlier question about how we could be the most prepared country - and still be doing the WORST job, based on results

We're not getting the worst results. Buy you're so blinded by HATE, you will  believe anything negative, as long as it might hurt Trump. As for FACTCHECK, that is a product of the uber liberal Tampa Bay Times, formerly the St Pete Times. I lived in the bay area for 20 years, and depended on that rag for nothing.

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18 hours ago, SwampFox said:

We're not getting the worst results. Buy you're so blinded by HATE, you will  believe anything negative, as long as it might hurt Trump. As for FACTCHECK, that is a product of the uber liberal Tampa Bay Times, formerly the St Pete Times. I lived in the bay area for 20 years, and depended on that rag for nothing.

To answer both posts....my concern is with total number of cases, not deaths. Deaths are due to the health and age of the individual, failure to detect early enough, number of infected people, how long they have been infected, and the quality of healthcare. If the number of cases spirals out of control, like it did in Italy, then healthcare will become less adequate and we will have more deaths.

Because we have not done nearly enough tests, we are under-reporting the number of cases.

As for this post - how can you say that we are not getting the worst results??? We now lead the next country by over 15K cases - and the lead is growing by huge amounts every day - we just passed China and Italy yesterday. And the lead is bigger when you look at ACTIVE cases. EVEN WITH UNDER-REPORTING DUE TO LACK OF TESTS!!!!

If you focus on a narrow measurement, like deaths....our timeline and bell curve are well behind China and Italy, which is why we have fewer deaths. Many of our infected people will die - it is the harsh reality - and we will be the leader in that category soon enough if we cannot slow the growth of new cases,

But do this - and THINK when you do it, and don't let your BLIND DEVOTION to Donald Trump cloud your mind - click on this link, then click on each country to see the curve, If that does not scare the hell out of you, then you are a lost cause,

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

 

 

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22 hours ago, Ace Dilcock said:

The original article debunked below - I covered some of the inaccuracies earlier, this is much more detailed. It shows how much the truth was stretched, twisted, and ignored - and how desperate Trump and his minions are getting over their completely bungled handling of the Coronavirus.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trumps-misleading-ventilator-counter-punch-at-cuomo/

factcheck.org is run by the Annenberg foundation which donates to a lot of left wing groups.  Therefore it can't be trusted.

 

Turnabout is fair play, yes?

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