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Corona virus, the non-asshole thread


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6 minutes ago, Longhaul said:

Per CDC we are at 67.7% with 79% of the population older than 12 fully vaccinated.  98.5% above 65 so we are at the levels we thought would start to take care of this.  So to me the largest segment of the population that needs the vaccine that are in the higher risk category is at 79%.  I know the young kids can spread it, but I just question if we get to the number you are proposing 80-90% of the entire population will really do anything.  Not trying to be argumentative, I truly question some of numbers being put out there.  Kids are not at risk of death in the larger scheme of things and if I had really young kids under 10 or so I would really think long and hard about the possible long term effects vs the very low risk to them now.  If we have the largest part of the at risk population vaccinated then we should not need to worry so much about Covid as the vaccine should keep us out of the hospital from what they are saying at this point and we have almost 80% older than the age of 12 fully vaxxed.  I don't think it will ever fully go away and it is something that we will deal with seasonally moving forward much like the flu.  

I am not trying to be argumentative either. 

It is true that kids generally do not have severe symptoms, but they get it and spread it. If more adults were vaxxed, there would be less pressure to have kids vaxxed. 

I am hoping that these anti-viral pills that are coming out will drive down the hospitalization and death rate amount the people that do get Covid. Getting a few pills to pop at home while you recover is way better then going to the hospital. 

I do agree that it will never go away 100%, and will become much like the seasonal flu. People will have some immunity , either through vaccine or exposure. New variants will emerge that can break through some of the immunity. Folks will need annual covid shots just like the flu, or suffer through it (with better treatment options). Some will continue to die from it. 

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I looked online and found some info on CO.  I know the delta variant is more contagious, so I think that is part of the issue.

"Colorado has the fifth-highest 7-day, per-capita coronavirus case count in the United States, and state forecasters say it’s going to get worse before it gets better. Yet the state’s vaccination rate ranks among the top one-third in the country, with about 72% of the state’s eligible population now fully vaccinated.

Even as the root of this contradiction remains a mystery, the source of the infection spike now gripping this state is clear. Those who are unvaccinated comprise about 80% of infections. At UCHealth hospitals, that ratio holds: 78% of those hospitalized and 91% of those in ICUs are unvaccinated. The ones hospitalized despite being vaccinated are often immunocompromised or significantly older.

The Delta variant is so contagious that the vaccinated, even if they don’t get as sick as they otherwise would, can catch and potentially spread it. That’s resulted in about one in 51 people in Colorado being infectious – nearly as high as the infection rate during the pandemic’s early, unvaccinated days of 2020. Masks in crowded indoor spaces and booster shots for those who are eligible, should be high priorities, health officials say.

At a Nov. 2 press conference, Gov. Jared Polis painted a stark picture of Colorado’s reality now:

  • Among those ages 70 and above – a highly vaccinated cohort – two-thirds of Colorado coronavirus deaths are coming from perhaps 7% of the population.
  • No one vaccinated and under 40 has died of COVID-19 in Colorado since July; more than 30 unvaccinated younger people in that cohort have died, Polis said.
  • Among those ages 40 to 60, about a dozen who were vaccinated have died since July; among the unvaccinated, 153 have died. Polis’s frustration with the unvaccinated was hard to miss."

 

The wife and I got our booster yesterday.

 

 

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1 hour ago, TheYancey said:

I'm screwed.  Over 70 male with cancer and type A blood.  Overweight and diminished immune system due to steroids.   Tourists and snowbirds beginning to arrive.  At least I am Moderna X 3.  Got double dose of flu vax Monday.  

I hope you can stay safe Yancey.  Truly feel badly for people in your position that are doing everything they can to avoid this thing.  

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if you look at the reports out of Israel and South Africa, it appears that while Omicron is contagious, it is a far milder version of COVID with fewer symptoms(mild cough/body aches/may or may no lose smell)...I guess we will see in 2 weeks if there is a spike in deathes

while I am certainly no virologist, I do know that "in general" these viruses weaken with time in terms of killing their hosts so maybe/hopefully that is what we are seeing here!  Unfortunately only time will tell!

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33 minutes ago, STS said:

if you look at the reports out of Israel and South Africa, it appears that while Omicron is contagious, it is a far milder version of COVID with fewer symptoms(mild cough/body aches/may or may no lose smell)...I guess we will see in 2 weeks if there is a spike in deathes

while I am certainly no virologist, I do know that "in general" these viruses weaken with time in terms of killing their hosts so maybe/hopefully that is what we are seeing here!  Unfortunately only time will tell!

I hope you are right. And also that the vaxxes hold up against it. 

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22 hours ago, Spur's Addiction said:

I hope you are right. And also that the vaxxes hold up against it. 

Just noticed where the CEO of Moderna said he expects the numbers of their vax against Omicron to fall to mid-fifty percent effectiveness -- against catching.  I think it's still effective against hospitalization/serious effect.

Just got my booster and a flu shot yesterday.

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4 hours ago, FurmanCock said:

Just noticed where the CEO of Moderna said he expects the numbers of their vax against Omicron to fall to mid-fifty percent effectiveness -- against catching.  I think it's still effective against hospitalization/serious effect.

Just got my booster and a flu shot yesterday.

it will be interesting to watch the countries already facing omicron to see if hospitalizations are on the rise...if it is indeed a milder form of Covid and evades the vaccines, then I may not be all the upset if I get it if will give my body's immune system another tool to fight Covid should a more virulent strain (re)emerge

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5 hours ago, STS said:

it will be interesting to watch the countries already facing omicron to see if hospitalizations are on the rise...if it is indeed a milder form of Covid and evades the vaccines, then I may not be all the upset if I get it if will give my body's immune system another tool to fight Covid should a more virulent strain (re)emerge

My Facility just announced that they are extending incentive pay and CSI contracts through the spring in anticipation. 

 

We were so close to getting our break room back lol

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10 hours ago, kingofnerf said:

Getting my Pfizer booster on the morning of December 7th.

Nothing to worry about.  It's probably just the flight of B-17s that are due in from the West Coast.  LOL

I felt pretty crummy from about 24 hours starting about 12 hours after injection...hope yours goes well

Since I am in clinical trial, I just got message that if pfizer does a change for omicron I will be in that trial as well but only time will tell on that one! 

Everyone stay safe! 

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