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Turkey Invades N. Syria after US troops pull out.

Russia swoops into vacuum left when US troops pull out of N. Syria.

100's of ISIS prisoners escape when US troops pull out of N. Syria.

Kurds feel betrayed by US. and makes deal with Assad to help fight invading Turkey.

Putin lovin' it.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, kingofnerf said:

The Turks must be driven out of Kentucky for good, dagnabbit.  The horror, oh, the horror.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/abc-news-error-gun-video-syria-turkey

 

So are you trying to say the Kurds, who fought and died alongside our guys, are not being attacked by Turkish? 

I'm not sure of the reason for your post.

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9 minutes ago, SanAntonioCock said:

So are you trying to say the Kurds, who fought and died alongside our guys, are not being attacked by Turkish? 

I'm not sure of the reason for your post.

They are all fighting against ISIS. the turks and kurds are fighting each other. WTF point is there to be there? 

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1 hour ago, Spur's Addiction said:

*** This is not Trump Bashing  thread ***

Turkey Invades N. Syria after US troops pull out.

Russia swoops into vacuum left when US troops pull out of N. Syria.

100's of ISIS prisoners escape when US troops pull out of N. Syria.

Kurds feel betrayed by US. and makes deal with Assad to help fight invading Turkey.

Putin lovin' it.

 

 

Don't forget us sending troops to Saudi Arabia to help defend them from Iran.

 

*Disclaimer*

This is not criticizing Trump in any way. He is ending endless wars.

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5 hours ago, SanAntonioCock said:

So are you trying to say the Kurds, who fought and died alongside our guys, are not being attacked by Turkish

I'm not sure of the reason for your post.

Not trying to laugh at what the Kurds are going through right now.  Just trying to point out the idiocy of the media.

But let's not forget the Soldiers and Marines who have died alongside the Kurds over the years as well and the Kurds STILL can not stand on their own.

The eldest son of a good friend of mine died in Afghanistan in 2013 trying to help the Afghans develop their security forces, just like our guys have been doing with Kurds the past several years.  The intruder tried to kill all the U.S. soldiers there while they were unarmed and eating lunch.  He died trying to save his buddies (which he did) but the gunman got away and was never captured.

His father is a Vietnam veteran who is on disability due to heart murmurs caused by his exposure to Agent Orange.  He now felt his son did not die for a good cause and I agree with him.  Loyalties in the parts of the world we are fighting in now have historically changed every 20-30 years and we can't change that centuries-old pattern.

Our servicemen have the confidence of their training, but they are not dying for any good reasons right now and they need to be brought home from Syria and other places where necessary.

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13 hours ago, kingofnerf said:

Not trying to laugh at what the Kurds are going through right now.  Just trying to point out the idiocy of the media.

But let's not forget the Soldiers and Marines who have died alongside the Kurds over the years as well and the Kurds STILL can not stand on their own.

The eldest son of a good friend of mine died in Afghanistan in 2013 trying to help the Afghans develop their security forces, just like our guys have been doing with Kurds the past several years.  The intruder tried to kill all the U.S. soldiers there while they were unarmed and eating lunch.  He died trying to save his buddies (which he did) but the gunman got away and was never captured.

His father is a Vietnam veteran who is on disability due to heart murmurs caused by his exposure to Agent Orange.  He now felt his son did not die for a good cause and I agree with him.  Loyalties in the parts of the world we are fighting in now have historically changed every 20-30 years and we can't change that centuries-old pattern.

Our servicemen have the confidence of their training, but they are not dying for any good reasons right now and they need to be brought home from Syria and other places where necessary.

I'm going to go ahead and assume not knowing anything about the SDF/Kurds or why and who we were actually fighting in Northern Syria is why you believe any part of this relates to this current situation on any level.

Comparing them to the Afghan security forces and/or that situation is simply further proof of how misguided and uninformed this really is.

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13 hours ago, kingofnerf said:

Not trying to laugh at what the Kurds are going through right now.  Just trying to point out the idiocy of the media.

But let's not forget the Soldiers and Marines who have died alongside the Kurds over the years as well and the Kurds STILL can not stand on their own.

The eldest son of a good friend of mine died in Afghanistan in 2013 trying to help the Afghans develop their security forces, just like our guys have been doing with Kurds the past several years.  The intruder tried to kill all the U.S. soldiers there while they were unarmed and eating lunch.  He died trying to save his buddies (which he did) but the gunman got away and was never captured.

His father is a Vietnam veteran who is on disability due to heart murmurs caused by his exposure to Agent Orange.  He now felt his son did not die for a good cause and I agree with him.  Loyalties in the parts of the world we are fighting in now have historically changed every 20-30 years and we can't change that centuries-old pattern.

Our servicemen have the confidence of their training, but they are not dying for any good reasons right now and they need to be brought home from Syria and other places where necessary.

Thing is, the fighting was pretty much over.  Our presence was the deterrent and a stabilizing force in the region. 

 

Now we've got Russian mercenaries posting videos going through our troop's stuff that they had to leave behind during a hasty withdrawal....everything from heavy equipment to uneaten meals.  You'd think we were driven out.  

Not only that, but the Turkish attack led to THOUSANDS of ISIS fighters breaking out of jail because they were guarded by the Kurds.  This included many high profile assets.  

The only way to describe this is as a clusterf*ck brought about by trump kowtowing to a strongman dictator.

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7 minutes ago, TheKOB said:

Thing is, the fighting was pretty much over.  Our presence was the deterrent and a stabilizing force in the region. 

 

Now we've got Russian mercenaries posting videos going through our troop's stuff that they had to leave behind during a hasty withdrawal....everything from heavy equipment to uneaten meals.  You'd think we were driven out.  

Not only that, but the Turkish attack led to THOUSANDS of ISIS fighters breaking out of jail because they were guarded by the Kurds.  This included many high profile assets.  

The only way to describe this is as a clusterf*ck brought about by trump kowtowing to a strongman dictator.

I agree with you

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1 hour ago, TheKOB said:

Thing is, the fighting was pretty much over.  Our presence was the deterrent and a stabilizing force in the region. 

 

Now we've got Russian mercenaries posting videos going through our troop's stuff that they had to leave behind during a hasty withdrawal....everything from heavy equipment to uneaten meals.  You'd think we were driven out.  

Not only that, but the Turkish attack led to THOUSANDS of ISIS fighters breaking out of jail because they were guarded by the Kurds.  This included many high profile assets.  

The only way to describe this is as a clusterf*ck brought about by trump kowtowing to a strongman dictator.

Absolutely!

We went from not only standing by our allies in the fight against ISIS but also as the calming force and deterrent in what was relative peace.

One day later they were flying ISIS flags in Northern Syria again, car bombs were going off in their cities, democracy supporting politicians were being assassinated, 1,000's of ISIS fighters were breaking out and reorganizing, American servicemen were being targeted and bombed, men, women and children were being slaughtered, Islamist militia were rolling in to take the place or the Kurds, our allies had been fully abandon and facing literal genocide and Russia, Iran, Syria and ISIS are all stronger for it.

To quote Republican Congressman and former Navy SEAL Dan Crenshaw..."which one of these scenarios looks more like an endless war?"

 

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2 hours ago, TheKOB said:

Thing is, the fighting was pretty much over.  Our presence was the deterrent and a stabilizing force in the region. 

 

Now we've got Russian mercenaries posting videos going through our troop's stuff that they had to leave behind during a hasty withdrawal....everything from heavy equipment to uneaten meals.  You'd think we were driven out.  

Not only that, but the Turkish attack led to THOUSANDS of ISIS fighters breaking out of jail because they were guarded by the Kurds.  This included many high profile assets.  

The only way to describe this is as a clusterf*ck brought about by trump kowtowing to a strongman dictator.

 

1 hour ago, LBC said:

Absolutely!

We went from not only standing by our allies in the fight against ISIS but also the calming force and deterrent in what was relative peace.

One day later they were flying ISIS flags in Northern Syria again, car bombs were going off in their cities, democracy supporting politicians were being assassinated, 1,000's of ISIS fighters were breaking out and reorganizing, American servicemen were being targeted and bombed, men, women and children were being slaughtered, Islamist militia were rolling in to take the place or the Kurds, our allies had been fully abandon and facing literal genocide and Russia, Iran, Syria and ISIS are all stronger for it, etc.

To quote Republican Congressman and former Navy SEAL Dan Crenshaw..."which one of these scenarios looks more like an endless war?"

 

Our total troop strength over there is 1000 troops. 

Trump is unorthodox in his methods, but you understand it once the smoke settles and the dust clears.

Turkey was most likely going to execute an all-out offensive of much more than the 1000 troops we have over there and they did Trump the courtesy of letting him know what was going to happen.

Our only option was to go all-in with a lot more troops to protect the Kurds or pull the ones already over there back to prevent a high number of casualties that would surely have happened.

Democracy as we know it is not possible in the North African Islamic world for many reasons.  We would have to invade and install our own government for that to happen.  Until that happens the Islamic world overseas will always be a prisoner of the extremes of harsh dictators and religious extremists.

 

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2 minutes ago, kingofnerf said:

 

Our total troop strength over there is 1000 troops. 

Trump is unorthodox in his methods, but you understand it once the smoke settles and the dust clears.

Turkey was most likely going to execute an all-out offensive of much more than the 1000 troops we have over there and they did Trump the courtesy of letting him know what was going to happen.

Our only option was to go all-in with a lot more troops to protect the Kurds or pull the ones already over there back to prevent a high number of casualties that would surely have happened.

Democracy as we know it is not possible in the North African Islamic world for many reasons.  We would have to invade and install our own government for that to happen.  Until that happens the Islamic world overseas will always a prisoner of the extremes of harsh dictators and religious extremists.

 

LOL no way in hell

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7 minutes ago, kingofnerf said:

 

Our total troop strength over there is 1000 troops. 

Trump is unorthodox in his methods, but you understand it once the smoke settles and the dust clears.

Turkey was most likely going to execute an all-out offensive of much more than the 1000 troops we have over there and they did Trump the courtesy of letting him know what was going to happen.

Our only option was to go all-in with a lot more troops to protect the Kurds or pull the ones already over there back to prevent a high number of casualties that would surely have happened.

Democracy as we know it is not possible in the North African Islamic world for many reasons.  We would have to invade and install our own government for that to happen.  Until that happens the Islamic world overseas will always be a prisoner of the extremes of harsh dictators and religious extremists.

 

It's amazing that the presence of 1,000 US troops can prevent an invasion of Turkey, isn't it?

Don't pull that "56-d chess" bullshit.  Trump f*cked up.  They waited to invade until after the troops were out, didn't they?

Your sequence of events is false, and pretending that they were there to instill democracy is also ludicrous.  

 

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35 minutes ago, kingofnerf said:

 

Our total troop strength over there is 1000 troops. 

Trump is unorthodox in his methods, but you understand it once the smoke settles and the dust clears.

Turkey was most likely going to execute an all-out offensive of much more than the 1000 troops we have over there and they did Trump the courtesy of letting him know what was going to happen.

Our only option was to go all-in with a lot more troops to protect the Kurds or pull the ones already over there back to prevent a high number of casualties that would surely have happened.

Democracy as we know it is not possible in the North African Islamic world for many reasons.  We would have to invade and install our own government for that to happen.  Until that happens the Islamic world overseas will always be a prisoner of the extremes of harsh dictators and religious extremists.

 

You believe Turkey told the United States Military to abandon the Kurds and leave Northern Syria immediately so they could slaughter them or we would be attacked and killed alongside our Kurdish allies in the fight against ISIS/Islamic Terrorism...and our 'only option' was to cut and run?

I'm also curious as to where you got the idea that we were there to instill 'Democracy as we know it' during any part of this?

 

 

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1 hour ago, LBC said:

I was on the phone in my car so I must have missed the entire exchange but did I just hear Trump say that the Kurds he abandoned in Northern Syria...the ones who helped us fight and defeat the ISIS Caliphate...were...understanding that he keeps saying they are no angels...'Worse than ISIS'?

I missed it as well, but somebody will show up soon enough saying Trump was joking and "what he really meant was...".

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2 hours ago, LBC said:

I was on the phone in my car so I must have missed the entire exchange but did I just hear Trump say that the Kurds he abandoned in Northern Syria...the ones who helped us fight and defeat the ISIS Caliphate...were...understanding that he keeps saying they are no angels...'Worse than ISIS'?

He's definitely throwing them under the bus, he also said it's "not our problem"

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So our President actually said...out loud...while explaining why he just abandoned our Kurdish allies in Syria...while they are being butchered by Muslim militia groups on behalf of Turkey...while taking full credit for defeating ISIS in Northern Syria...literally saying we are the ones you took care of ISIS..."specifically ME!"...while captured ISIS fighters were escaping, car bombs were being detonated and ISIS flags were flying over parts of Northern Syria again:

“The PKK, which is a part of the Kurds as you know, is probably worse at terror and more of a terrorist threat in many ways than ISIS"

Of course he also said the following:

"The United States and Italy are bound together by a shared cultural and political heritage dating back thousands of years to ancient Rome"

So being clueless is his deal...only most of the time people don't get slaughtered because of how shockingly stupid he is

 

 

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So our President actually said...out loud...while explaining why he just abandoned our Kurdish allies in Syria...while they are being butchered by Muslim militia groups on behalf of Turkey...while taking full credit for defeating ISIS in Northern Syria...literally saying we are the ones you took care of ISIS..."specifically ME!"...while captured ISIS fighters were escaping, car bombs were being detonated and ISIS flags were flying over parts of Northern Syria again:
“The PKK, which is a part of the Kurds as you know, is probably worse at terror and more of a terrorist threat in many ways than ISIS"
Of course he also said the following:
"The United States and Italy are bound together by a shared cultural and political heritage dating back thousands of years to ancient Rome"
So being clueless is his deal...only most of the time people don't get slaughtered because of how shockingly stupid he is
 
 

Moron.

This Pres continues to trample on our decades long allies, while cozying up to dictators. Except this time our allies are getting killed.

Meanwhile the Italy US comment about goin van back to Ancient Rome is just typical Trump ignorant bullshit.

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30 minutes ago, Spur's Addiction said:

"It's been going on for a long time. Syria may have some help with Russia. And that's fine. It's a lot of sand. There's a lot of sand over there. So, there's a lot of sand that they can play with."

There's a reason he loves the poorly educated...

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