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6 minutes ago, STS said:

still refuses to answer....SA tried to rationalize but failed to insert the relationship of Joe Biden's family to the prosecutor in that case

I wonder how pissed the democrats are that his stupid ass bragged about it.  It is just like the dumbass Trump getting on Twitter

and just wondering but is the trial in the senate considered a criminal trial?  If so the laws of discovery are very different between the prosecution and the defense.  I guess that I can see the case for obstruction of justice...seems impeachable as it has been the case in the past yet not not convcitable (if that is a word)

It's telling, that all they do is deflect to "but Trump". As I said, if Biden wins the presidency he better win the House and Senate. 

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16 minutes ago, carolina_corpsman said:

It's telling, that all they do is deflect to "but Trump". As I said, if Biden wins the presidency he better win the House and Senate. 

"but trump" lol. ????!?!!? this is a discussion of donald trump's impeachment. You know that pesky little thing going on that's supercedeing the Flintstones on our TV. That's about donald trump's actions .

Biden is the "but" in this scenario 

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2 hours ago, Tastylicks said:

"but trump" lol. ????!?!!? this is a discussion of donald trump's impeachment. You know that pesky little thing going on that's supercedeing the Flintstones on our TV. That's about donald trump's actions .

Biden is the "but" in this scenario 

That's also what is being uncovered.  You sure you want to do this sweetheart?

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28 minutes ago, Tastylicks said:

STS feel free to investigate Biden in his own case. I don't give a crap, it doesn't matter to me. I don't care about Joe Biden.

But just flatly saying "he did the same thing as trump" is a lie and a conspiracy theory at this point. It is trump's team using people like you to deflect blame away from what trump did. and ya'll are lining up to do it FOR them. That's called being gaslighted. 

the fact you call it conspiracy theory is beyond ridiculous....call it whatever you want but I think you need to look up the definition of conspiracy b/c Biden gave all the evidence that was needed in his claims

 

 

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12 minutes ago, STS said:

the fact you call it conspiracy theory is beyond ridiculous....call it whatever you want but I think you need to look up the definition of conspiracy b/c Biden gave all the evidence that was needed in his claims

 

 

Why doesn't Trump use his DOJ to investigate Biden? Why does he have to use Guiliani and thugs like Parnes and put pressure on Ukarane not to investigate but just to announce an investigation?

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11 minutes ago, STS said:

it is a fair question and I do not know

the answer is cause there's nothing to investigate. trump & Giuliani didn't even want the Ukrainians to investigate Biden in this illegal extortion scheme, they simply wanted a statement of investigation for political gain. in essence, a fake investigation. 

IF republicans or trump were really worried about what Biden did or didn't do, they would want our American justice system to investigate, not some questionable/corrupt country like the Ukraine to do it anyway.

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the whole plan is just to get Americans, people like you, to equate Biden with trump's actions. AND its working. 

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6 hours ago, carolina_corpsman said:

Please, explain how threatening to not release money until someone was fired is not the same thing. 

Sure thing...this is going to take a while but when you ask for the facts and proof I feel obligated to give them to you:

First, the ousting of Viktor Shokin wasn't unilateral or related in any way to the investigation of Hunter Biden or Burisma...nor did Biden or the United States start the push to have him removed. This started months before Biden or the United States ever got involved and years after Burisma was actually investigated and years before Hunter Biden ever got on the board there...so just to make clear...there was NO investigating into Burisma or Hunter Biden what so ever when Viktor Shokin was finally ousted. There is zero truth to the idea that Biden did anything to STOP an investigation into Burisma...there wasn't one and the one that had already been done and concluded occurred years prior to either Biden...Joe or Hunter...being involved...on any level.

Whenever you hear people refer to Ukraine as 'the most corrupt country in the world'...they are literally referring to the period of time under former Ukranian President Poroshenko and his former prosecutor-general Viktor Shokin. Ironically enough, this was during the same period when Trump campaign manager and current incarcerated criminal Paul Manafort was working with corrupt, Pro-Russsian, Anti-NATO, Anti-American, politicians in Ukraine that help Ukraine earn that dubious title. 

Several months before Joe Biden had ever gotten involved in this situation the European Union...who despite what Donald Trump keeps claiming actually has given far more aid to Ukriane since the Russian invasion than the US...had been calling for the same thing...the ousting of corrupt prosecutor-general Viktor Shokin based on the fact that he was NOT doing anything about the massive widespread corruption in the country but was actually facilitating it. Just as the US needed to assure that there were steps being taken to clean up the widespread corruption the EU was dealing with the same issues. At the same time...again well before Biden got involved...the IMF...the International Monetary Fund...was calling for the same changes...only on an international level. The IMF was concerned that because of the wide spread corruption that giving Ukraine aid without condition was simply to risky. Nothing was being done and part of that problem was the same Viktor Shokin...as well as some other institutional issues that simply weren't being addressed.

The United States needing the same guarantees put Joe Biden in charge of the US official stance and conditions for dealing with the Ukrainian gov't moving forward. Clean it up or aid was in jeopardy...this is when Biden does what he does. In concert with the EU and the IMF he tells Ukraine that the universally understood corrupt Shokin simply had to go...as an official representative of US policy. Again...at the time there was NO pending investigation related to Burisma or Hunter Biden...that investigation had been closed...finding no issues...years before Hunter Biden ever got there and Biden gave them the US Governments official stance. It worked and aid was released.

In fact, prior to Biden making his demands known two prominent Republican Senators...Rob Portman of Ohio and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin...were on a similar push and were demanding...and I quote..."Urgent reforms to the prosecutor-general's office and judiciary" in a letter sent in early 2016 to Mr. Poroshenko. 

A Poroshenko government adviser even stated at the time:  "EVERYONE was pushing for Shokin's resignation, not just Biden. The difference was Biden came with an amount of money Ukraine found hard to ignore. If the Europeans had had that leverage, they would have used it."

We move forward after all this takes place and current President Zelensky runs as an outsider literally on the platform of cleaning up the widespread corruption that existed and wins by a landslide.  

But the US doesn't just take his word for it so the US DOD actually went through the process of certifying that Ukraine was doing all the right things to receive new rounds of aid. In a letter sent to four congressional committees Undersecretary of Defense for Policy John Rood informed lawmakers that he "Certified that the Government of Ukraine has taken substantial actions to make defense institutional reforms for the purpose of decreasing corruption and increasing accountability."

This certification was required by law for the release of the $250 million in security assistance for Ukraine. It was good to go...then Donald Trump and Donald Trump alone decided he would hold up that aid for two reasons and two reasons only...they had to do Trump a favor...Ukraine had to publicly announce an investigation into a debunked conspiracy theory and Russian propaganda claim that it was actually Ukraine who hacked the DNC servers and not the Russians who interfered in the 2016 election and to announce an investigation into the Biden's...one of his main competitors in the 2020 election...a hold that has already been determined to be unlawful. This doesn't even include the fact that Rudy Colludy and a couple of long time thugs would be the point men outside of all official US policy directives or the illegal surveillance and personal and professional character assassination of US ambassadors who had been in country fighting corruption for years so they could circumvent the system and try and pull off this complete scam for nothing but personal benefit...as Dr Hill so eloquently put it...'A domestic political errand'.

These two events are NOTHING alike...let alone...'exactly the same'.

If you have any questions or need any further fact based info just say the word!

I apologize in advance for any misspelled words or grammatical errors...it wasn't the point

 

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4 minutes ago, LBC said:

Sure thing...this is going to take a while but when you ask for the facts and proof I feel obligated to give them to you:

First, the ousting of Viktor Shokin wasn't unilateral or related in any way to the investigation of Hunter Biden or Burisma...nor did Biden or the United States start the push to have him removed. This started months before Biden or the United States ever got involved and years after Burisma was actually investigated and years before Hunter Biden ever got on the board there...so just to make clear...there was NO investigating into Burisma or Hunter Biden what so ever when Viktor Shokin was finally ousted. There is zero truth to the idea that Biden did anything to STOP an investigation into Burisma...there wasn't one and the one that had already been done and concluded occurred years prior to either Biden...Joe or Hunter...being involved...on any level.

Whenever you hear people refer to Ukraine as 'the most corrupt country in the world'...they are literally referring to the period of time under former Ukranian President Poroshenko and his former prosecutor-general Viktor Shokin. Ironically enough, this was during the same period when Trump campaign manager and current incarcerated criminal Paul Manafort was working with corrupt, Pro-Russsian, Anti-NATO, Anti-American, politicians in Ukraine that help Ukraine earn that dubious title. 

Several months before Joe Biden had ever gotten involved in this situation the European Union...who despite what Donald Trump keeps claiming actually has given far more aid to Ukriane since the Russian invasion than the US...had been calling for the same thing...the ousting of corrupt prosecutor-general Viktor Shokin based on the fact that he was NOT doing anything about the massive wide spread corruption in the country but was actually facilitating it. Just as the US needed to assure that their were steps being taken to clean up the widespread corruption the EU was dealing with the same issues. At the same time...again well before Biden got involved...the IMF...the International Monetary Fund...was calling for the same changes...only on an international level. The IMF was concerned that because of the wide spread corruption that giving Ukraine aid without condition was simply to risky. Nothing was being done and part of that problem was the same Viktor Shokin...as well as some other institutional issues that simply weren't being addressed.

The United States needing the same guarantees put Joe Biden in charge of the US official stance and dealings with the Ukrainian gov't. Clean it up or aid was in jeopardy...this is when Biden does what he does. In concert with the EU and the IMF he tells Ukraine that the universally understood corrupt Shokin simply had to go...as an official representative of US policy. Again...at the time there was NO pending investigation related to Burisma or Hunter Biden...that investigation had been closed...finding no issues...years before Hunter Biden ever got there and Biden gave them the US Governments official stance. It worked and aid was released.

In fact, prior to Biden making his demands known two prominent Republican Senators...Rob Portman of Ohio and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin were on a similar push and were demanding...and I quote..."Urgent reforms to the prosecutor-general's office and judiciary" in a letter sent in early 2016 to Mr. Poroshenko. 

A Poroshenko government adviser even stated at the time:  "EVERYONE was pushing for Shokin's resignation, not just Biden. The difference was Biden came with an amount of money Ukraine found hard to ignore. If the Europeans had had that leverage, they would have used it."

Shortly after this all takes place current President Zilinsky runs as an outsider literally on the platform of cleaning up the widespread corruption that existed and wins by a landslide.  

But the US just doesn't take his word for it so the US DOD actually went through the process of certifying that Ukraine was doing all the right things to receive new rounds of aid. In a letter sent to four congressional committees Undersecretary of Defense for Policy John Rood informed lawmakers that he "Certified that the Government of Ukraine has taken substantial actions to make defense institutional reforms for the purpose of decreasing corruption and increasing accountability."

This certification was required by law for the release of the $250 million in security assistance for Ukraine. It was good to go...then Donald Trump and Donald Trump alone decided he would hold up that aid for two reason and two reason only...they had to do Trump a favor...Ukraine had to publicly announce an investigation into a debunked conspiracy theory and Russian propaganda claim that it was actually Ukraine who hacked the DNC servers and not the Russians who interfered in the 2016 election and to announce an investigation into the Biden's...one of his main competitors in the 2020 election...a hold that has already been determined to be unlawful. This doesn't even include this idea that Rudy Colludy and a couple of long time thugs would be the point men outside of all official US policy directives or the illegal surveillance and personal and professional character assassination of US ambassadors who had been their fighting corruption for years so they could circumvent the system and try and pull off this complete scam for nothing but personal benefit...as Dr Hill so eloquently put it...'A domestic political errand'.

These two events are NOTHING alike let alone...'exactly the same'.

If you have any questions of need any further fact based info just say the word!

I apologize in advance for any misspelled words or grammatical errors...it wasn't the point

 

Got anything to back this up? links would be nice. 

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Uh-rum, back to the OP, LOL.

The chatter on the Internet when the thing with the Ukrainian president broke was that former members of the Obama Administration had to tried to discourage Joe Biden from running because of the thing with his son in the Ukraine.

If there is truly nothing of substance to what Trump is alleging happened in Ukraine with the Bidens, why are we at this point right now?

If the Bidens truly did nothing wrong, why didn't the Dems just let Trump talk because a re-opening of any investigation would not have found anything that really mattered.

Yet here we are.

Trump is unorthodox in his methods. So what.  Just let him shoot his mouth off like he did with the birther stuff about Obama.  Nothing would have come of it, right?

The Dems are doing this right now because they know the November election is already lost if Trump remains in office.

And NOW it doesn't really matter what Republican candidate runs in November because of the baggage Biden has with the Ukraine deal with his son.

This has gotten so absurd that ANY Republican can win in November.

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4 minutes ago, Tastylicks said:

If you live in Tennessee I don’t see how you can respect your senator - Marsha whatever. 
 

instead of doing her job and paying attention to the proceedings, she’s reading some trump butt kissing book 

Is that better or worse than streaming golf?

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16 minutes ago, Tastylicks said:

Lindsey Graham ok? Or is he having medical issues? 
 

the reports from the trial say he’s back in the bathroom like every 5 minutes. The Senators are legally obligated to be in their seats the whole time unless they need to use the restroom 

He probably has a yeast infection. 

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16 minutes ago, carolina_corpsman said:

Is that better or worse than streaming golf?

thats bad but this is worse. Marsha Blackburn is not paying attention AND she is obviously not being impartial. She's violating the Constitution and the law.

later she tweeted anti-military sentiments to add to it

 

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11 minutes ago, Tastylicks said:

thats bad but this is worse. Marsha Blackburn is not paying attention AND she is obviously not being impartial. She's violating the Constitution and the law.

later she tweeted anti-military sentiments to add to it

 

I'm not sure how you can say one os worse than the other, or that one was less biased than the other, but we all know, the guy watching golf had a D behind his name, so you approach it differently because #tribalpolitics.

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Why is Ted Cruz kissing trump's butt so much? of all people, I swear....

trump went after his WIFE. trump said his dad killed JFK. For God's sakes if anyone knows how much of a trashy liar trump is, its Ted Cruz. What kind of man lets that happen to his family and then 2/3 years later kisses the guy's butt so much?

I truly don't understand what has happened to republicans in our country

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57 minutes ago, Tastylicks said:

Why is Ted Cruz kissing trump's butt so much? of all people, I swear....

trump went after his WIFE. trump said his dad killed JFK. For God's sakes if anyone knows how much of a trashy liar trump is, its Ted Cruz. What kind of man lets that happen to his family and then 2/3 years later kisses the guy's butt so much?

I truly don't understand what has happened to republicans in our country

Obama's policies are what happened to them.

Duh.

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Just now, Tastylicks said:

republicans become a bunch of desperate losers because of Obama? hm ok

Several key Democratic Presidential candidates are unable to campaign in Iowa right now because they have to be in an impeachment trial that was intentionally delayed by a senior Democratic party leader for no apparent reason.

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1 hour ago, Tastylicks said:

If you live in Tennessee I don’t see how you can respect your senator - Marsha whatever. 
 

instead of doing her job and paying attention to the proceedings, she’s reading some trump butt kissing book 

yawn...people in tennessee don't give a shit about your biased view...too bad golf wasn't streaming

 

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4 minutes ago, STS said:

I would go more with typical hypocrisy

I was thinking about how you see big city Dem's trying to tell rural citizens what is best for them. Virginia is the most recent reiteration of this. California, Washington and Colorado also have this problem. 

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14 minutes ago, STS said:

yawn...people in tennessee don't give a shit about your biased view...too bad golf wasn't streaming

 

I mean if you want to elect a senator that doesn't do their job, it kinda seems like you wasted your vote. but yeah, y'all don't care what an urban democrat like me thinks lol

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